[00:40] <scientes> how can i install ubuntu side-by-side android on the nexus 7?
[00:40] <scientes> it seems like that would be nice
[00:43] <xnox> scientes: see upvoted answer on http://askubuntu.com/questions/210870/nexus-7-dual-boot-with-android
[00:44] <scientes> if i figured it out would my work be appreciated?
[00:44] <scientes> using something like clockworkmod
[02:10] <ScottK> Any suggestions what to do about http://paste.ubuntu.com/1378553/ ? It gets past this point on a buildd, it's just a local failure, but it's repeatable.
[02:11] <ScottK> Makes it tough to get to the actual build failure.
[02:11] <ScottK> It's armhf if it matters.
[05:03] <pitti> Good morning
[05:05] <pitti> doko, infinity: want me to upload the binutils autopkgtest (tested locally in a VM) in bug 1081500?
[05:08] <aaron> hey i have a question... how do you setup your email that i have from ubuntu.com?
[05:26] <infinity> pitti: That's doko's call, I have no firm opinion on the matter, but he may have a new binutils staged for other reasons.
[05:27] <pitti> infinity: ok, thanks; I'll ask him when he gets up
[05:31] <infinity> pitti: (As for the brown paper bag fix to the eglibc autopkgtest, I'll be rolling that into Debian experimental and then merging back soon)
[05:31] <pitti> thanks
[05:31] <infinity> ... just in time to start revving experimental to 2.17
[05:46] <pitti> infinity: so you and ScottK are the only Americans who are still on IRC these days/
[05:46] <pitti> ?
[05:47] <pitti> seems everyone else went off to indulging turkey
[05:47] <ScottK> infinity might object to the characterizaton.
[05:47] <pitti> I had no overnight backscroll pings at all, at first I thought my proxy was broken
[05:47] <ScottK> Heh.
[05:47] <pitti> I didn't say "USian" :)
[05:47] <pitti> Canada clearly is in America
[05:49] <Aaron> lol
[05:57] <infinity> pitti: Yeah, but Canadian Thanksgiving was last month, so no turkey for me.
[05:57] <pitti> ah, I see; it's earlier because of the (on average) colder climate in Canada?
[05:58] <infinity> pitti: Or because we just like to be different.  Who knows.
[05:58] <pitti> so the harvesting had to happen earlier?
[05:59] <pitti> infinity: well, at least this reasoning would be more convincing than the one about imperial units :)
[06:11] <ScottK> Maybe they lost a month in the Imperial to Metric conversion.
[06:54] <didrocks> @pilot in
[07:31] <darkxst> didrocks, can you take a look at this patch? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gui-ufw/+bug/1071915
[07:32] <didrocks> darkxst: sure, will do :)
[07:32] <darkxst> didrocks, it probably should go into raring as well, but I dont think raring was actually open when I uploaded it
[07:33] <didrocks> darkxst: it needs to get to raring first
[07:33] <didrocks> darkxst: mind proposing a branch for it as well?
[07:33] <didrocks> darkxst: then, I'll do the review :)
[07:33] <darkxst> yeh I figured that
[07:34] <darkxst> ok one moment
[07:34] <didrocks> sure ;)
[08:00] <dholbach> good morning
[08:05] <pitti> ev: are you still waiting for apw's feedback on https://code.launchpad.net/~ev/apport/kernel-oops-crash-signature/+merge/129440 ?
[08:10] <darkxst> didrocks, https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/raring/gui-ufw/lp1071915/+merge/135834
[08:11] <didrocks> darkxst: excellent! I'll have a look this morning :) Thanks a lot!
[08:11] <darkxst> ok thanks
[08:35] <didrocks> darkxst: commented btw :)
[08:39] <rbasak> didrocks: may I poke you about sponsoring bug 1014732 please? It's been in the queue a while. The problem is that for as long as it isn't fixed, triaging other mysql bugs is harder because nobody has error logs
[08:39] <didrocks> rbasak: sure, looking :) (not sure having the competence on mysql though, so no promess)
[08:39] <rbasak> Thanks!
[08:40] <rbasak> didrocks: it's a trivial conffile change, cherry-picked from the development release (which was at the time quantal!). So just apport and conffile stuff
[08:41] <didrocks> rbasak: yeah, indeed, not really mysql-deeply-insane-code related :)
[08:41] <rbasak> :-)
[08:41]  * rbasak wonders if that is what was scaring off all the sponsors :)
[08:42] <didrocks> rbasak: it looks good to me, and no mysql in the SRU queue already, sponsoring :)
[08:42] <rbasak> \o/
[08:42] <rbasak> Thank you!
[08:42] <didrocks> rbasak: well, there are keywords that are a natural filters :)
[08:42] <didrocks> rbasak: like "potentially breaking all dbs on a LTS :p"
[08:43] <rbasak> I can see why that could be a problem!
[08:45] <didrocks> heh
[08:45] <didrocks> pitti: mind rejecting https://code.launchpad.net/~nabil-stendardo/ubuntu/quantal/compiz/fix-segfault-related-to-shaders-and-uniforms/+merge/130709 ?
[08:46] <pitti> didrocks: done
[08:46] <didrocks> thanks :)
[08:51] <didrocks> pitti: rejection needed on https://code.launchpad.net/~jlangvand/ubuntu/quantal/gnome-control-center/fix-for-993440/+merge/133570 :)
[08:52] <pitti> done
[08:52] <didrocks> thanks :)
[08:54] <didrocks> https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu/quantal/gnome-settings-daemon/ubuntu.fix1058004/+merge/127430
[08:54] <didrocks> pitti: ^ de même, stp :)
[08:54] <pitti> didrocks: avec plaîsir, Monsieur! fini
[08:55] <didrocks> un grand merci :)
[08:55] <pitti> didrocks: oh, "plaisir"
[08:56] <pitti> dear French, please make up your mind about whether or not to put an accent into a particular word. Love, pitti
[08:58] <didrocks> we'll do it, just for you. I propose to put that as #1 world problem ;)
[09:08] <darkxst> didrocks, raring patch was done as distro patch (but i missed the actual patch) fixed now
[09:08] <didrocks> darkxst: same url?
[09:08] <darkxst> yes
[09:09] <didrocks> darkxst: and do you know why upstream set it as OnlyShowIn=Unity?
[09:09] <darkxst> didrocks, no idea, although one of the gufw devs did ok my patch in the bug report
[09:10] <didrocks> darkxst: I'm ok to sponsor it if you talk to them to get them upstream, can you do that?
[09:11] <darkxst> didrocks, ok will do
[09:11] <didrocks> darkxst: you forget to bzr add debian/patches/series though
[09:14] <darkxst> didrocks, oops, added that too
[09:14] <didrocks> pitti: and another one: https://code.launchpad.net/~bkerensa/ubuntu/raring/ubuntu-artwork/fix-for-depends/+merge/135534
[09:16] <pitti> *zap*
[09:16] <didrocks> darkxst: sponsored, thanks! :)
[09:17] <didrocks> merci pitti :)
[09:18] <didrocks> darkxst: do you want to put the quantal branch as a distro patch as well?
[09:21] <darkxst> didrocks, yeh
[09:28] <darkxst> didrocks, https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/quantal/gui-ufw/lp1071915B/+merge/135844
[09:28] <smb> pitti, Hi I wonder who nowadays would be the person to talk to about jockey (back in Precise) and apport (seems like Precise and Quantal)
[09:29] <pitti> smb: Apport is still me
[09:29] <pitti> smb: Jockey, I try to forget about it :-) , but I guess I can still answer questions
[09:30] <smb> pitti, So I am not completly sure about whether its pebcak but starting with jockey-text which since yesterday (with precise-proposed enabled) fails running, and apport asking me about submitting the report and then just ignoring my yes
[09:30] <pitti> smb: sounds liek a regression from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/0.9.7-0ubuntu7.6 then
[09:31] <pitti> smb: tseliot and bryce recently changed jockey to include the experimental nvidia drivers, that might have something to do with it
[09:31] <smb> pitti, If "from" means introduced by, yes seems like it
[09:31] <didrocks> darkxst: excellent!
[09:32] <smb> pitti, I am sure it did work the day before because the steam client I am playing around with always asked me about the newer fglrx
[09:32] <smb> (which failed to install then btu oddly succeeded today in text mode. gah!)
[09:33] <pitti> smb: if you can confirm it's a regression in -proposed (try downgrading and killing jockey-backend), can you please follow up in bug 1080588 ?
[09:33] <pitti> smb: apport didn't open a firefox tab? or it just crashed? do you have a /var/log/*apport*.crash?
[09:33] <smb> pitti, Should be able to try that, yep. :) Anyway apport seems to come up and it seems like the real upload part is not executed. And that seems to be the the same with another Precise box without proposed and Quantal
[09:34] <smb> pitti, It seems just to exit after saying upload
[09:34] <smb> pitti, no apport crash
[09:34] <pitti> oh, sure
[09:34] <pitti> smb: it's uploading to errors.ubuntu.com
[09:35] <pitti> not to LP, sorry
[09:35] <smb> pitti, At least in Precise there never is a *.uploaded (this seems to be there in Quantal)
[09:35] <smb> Though the experience is a bit weird then
[09:36] <pitti> smb: oh, but you have an .upload stamp?
[09:36] <smb> pitti, the upload stamp yes
[09:36] <smb> in all cases
[09:36] <pitti> smb: "pidof whoopsie"
[09:36] <smb> 2067
[09:37] <didrocks> pitti: https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/quantal/gui-ufw/lp1071915B/+merge/135844 can you mark it as merged? (was targeting quantal instead of quantal-proposed)
[09:37] <pitti> hm, I don't see a whoopsie log file
[09:37] <smb> pitti, Probably I am again just too "old school" and expect a lp bug to open which I can add info to
[09:37] <pitti> didrocks: done
[09:37] <didrocks> thanks :)
[09:37] <pitti> smb: yeah, we never did that in stable releases though (at least not for crashes)
[09:38] <pitti> smb: hm, I'm afraid I need to defer to ev about why whoopsie doesn't upload the report
[09:39] <smb> pitti, Ok, sure. Well maybe it *does*, I just have no clue how I would know
[09:40] <tseliot> smb: what happens exactly?
[09:40] <pitti> smb: firefox http://errors.ubuntu.com/user/`printf $(sudo cat /sys/class/dmi/id/product_uuid)|sha512sum`
[09:40] <pitti> smb: (how can that not be totally obvious :-P)
[09:41] <pitti> smb: displaying your sent errors is quite hard right now, that's known
[09:41] <smb> pitti, *grumble*
[09:42] <smb> tseliot, Basically everything looks "normal" and after clicking send report nothing happens. But as I learn this is normal and I probably did not try doing that for released releases for a while... :-P
[09:42] <pitti> didrocks: oh, our GPU freeze is the top crasher in 13.04 for today on errors.u.c.
[09:44] <didrocks> pitti: I have freeze, but not crasher now
[09:44] <didrocks> like some write on disk freeze the ui for 30s
[09:45] <didrocks> and then, back to life
[09:45] <tseliot> smb: if there really was a crash it should be in /var/log/jockey.log
[09:46] <smb> pitti, So I guess *if* I want to create a bug for a stable release now, I have to unpack the *.crash, create a bug with that title and run apport-collect for the rest after it is created?
[09:47] <pitti> smb: see privmsg
[09:49] <smb> pitti, yup thanks
[09:50] <smb> tseliot, There are things in there and it is some type problem in jockey-text -l, just ranting about my inability to know that I have sent info. ;)
[09:52] <tseliot> smb: heh, ok. If you pastebin the log I'llhave a look at the log
[09:52] <smb> tseliot, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1379087/
[09:56] <smb> tseliot, btw, downgrading jockey-common/-gtk to the precise-updates version makes it work for me again
[09:57] <didrocks> pitti: https://code.launchpad.net/~evfool/software-properties/lp1060543/+merge/135513 -> WIP please :)
[09:58] <didrocks> pitti: oh sorry, I can on that one
[09:58] <pitti> didrocks: eek, you can't even set WIP?
[09:59] <didrocks> pitti: on some, I can't
[09:59] <didrocks> and my reviews are set as "(community)"
[09:59] <Laney> usually SRUs
[09:59] <didrocks> (this one was a regular upstream branch, so not the case)
[10:00] <didrocks> (man, the sql testsuite is awfully long)
[10:02] <tseliot> smb: ok, I'll investigate the issue
[10:02] <smb> tseliot, Thanks, meanwhile I marked 1080588 as verification-failed
[10:03] <smb> tseliot, if you want me to attach my apport data, let me know
[10:05] <tseliot> smb: yes, it would be nice if you could attach your apport data
[10:09] <smb> tseliot, ok, its up there
[10:09] <tseliot> smb: thanks
[10:10] <brendand_> tseliot, hi
[10:10] <tseliot> hi brendand_
[10:28] <darkxst> didrocks, thanks!
[10:29] <didrocks> darkxst: yw :)
[10:29] <didrocks> thanks to you!
[10:30] <darkxst> np
[10:35] <pitti> did anyone use autopilot before? I have some trouble with running tests, it doesn't seem to find my tests
[10:39] <tkamppeter> Someone knows about the impact on battery life of avahi-daemon
[10:46] <tkamppeter> Someone knows about the impact on battery life of avahi-daemon?
[10:50] <sladen> tkamppeter: I don't, though perhaps the group in Montreal, with power-monitoring harnesses would be able to give you an exact figure
[10:57] <tseliot> smb: see my private message
[10:59] <didrocks> @pilot out
[11:12]  * dholbach hugs didrocks
[11:12]  * didrocks hugs dholbach back
[11:40] <jodh> cking: thanks! http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~upstart-devel/upstart/trunk/revision/1390?start_revid=1390
[11:40] <cking> jodh, thanks for apply it and +1 to smatch
[11:41] <jodh> cking: yeah :)
[11:41] <cking> ..I wonder what to smatch next...
[11:52] <jodh> cking: what's already been covered? I vote for libc, libnih, udev and plymouth if they haven't been subjected yet :)
[11:53] <cking> jodh, libnih was clean when I tested it yesterday evening. how about doing udev and plymouth for starters?
[11:58] <jodh> cking: smatch barfs on udev.
[11:58] <cking> jodh, why am not surprised..
[11:59] <cking> smatch can produce some false positives that need looking at though
[12:00] <cjwatson> doko: Hmm, is g++-4.7-multilib busted perhaps?  Have a look at the tail end of the current gmp/amd64 build log
[12:13] <cjwatson> doko: bug 1082344
[12:42] <jamespage> are there any packages already in main that offer similar/same function as 'gdisk' (GPT format fdisk clone); I see some support in parted but can't see anything else...
[12:42] <jamespage> ?
[12:46] <cjwatson> jamespage: what are you trying to do?  the installer uses libparted everywhere
[12:47] <jamespage> cjwatson, I'm working on enabling the upstart integration for ceph; it used gdisk to prepare storage devices before bootstrapping them into a ceph cluster
[12:48] <cjwatson> should be straightforward to do that with parted
[12:54] <seb128> jamespage, hey, you are looking at samba in Ubuntu right? Do you plan to merge on Debian (I see we are 3 minor releases behind)
[12:58] <jamespage> seb128, I appear to be the samba merge monkey ATM - I'd not noticed the bump in experimental - I'll take a look
[12:58] <seb128> jamespage, thanks
[13:24] <mitya57> pitti: re https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=686006:
[13:24] <mitya57> git *does* support file permissions: http://paste.debian.net/211760/ :-)
[13:25] <pitti> well, they didn't work for me..
[13:27] <mitya57> cloning a branch also correctly restores all permissions
[13:30]  * mitya57 needs to stop reading his google+ and do some python-gdata upload
[13:40] <mitya57> hi dholbach
[13:40] <mitya57> can I remove emptry "_static" folder from lp:ubuntu-packaging-guide?
[13:40] <mitya57> I think we don't need it
[13:41] <mitya57> and I'll do a MP for ubuntu logo now
[14:01] <dholbach> mitya57, perfect
[14:02] <dholbach> mitya57, спасибо
[14:04] <mitya57> I think you should now bump the version to 0.3
[14:05] <mitya57> and thanks for dep-8 article update, I found it useful for myself :)
[14:05] <mitya57> I've already added 5 dep-8 tests since quantal release :)
[14:05] <dholbach> NICE
[14:05] <dholbach> pitti, ^ :)
[14:06] <mitya57> (warning: some are not released yet)
[14:06] <dholbach> mitya57, yes, I agree we should get another version out
[14:06] <dholbach> mitya57, it will be just a question if we can easily backport it to older releases - it might require a very recent sphinx, no?
[14:07] <mitya57> why?
[14:07] <dholbach> I thought we just got u-p-g to build because we got a sphinx fix into the archive?
[14:07] <dholbach> I might be mistaken
[14:08] <mitya57> If we don't build translations (do we?) we can get it to quantal & precise without any issues
[14:08] <dholbach> at least for precise it currently does not build
[14:08] <mitya57> let me look
[14:08] <dholbach> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-packaging-guide-team/+archive/ppa
[14:08] <dholbach> precise: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/123783723/buildlog.txt.gz
[14:09] <dholbach> and so far we got uploads into R, Q and P - the latter only through backports
[14:10] <mitya57> the only difference between precise package and precise package in our PPA is the fix-l10n-footnotes patch, right?
[14:11] <mitya57> (which (the patch) has been updated upstream recently — I will need to look at it)
[14:11] <dholbach> mitya57, ah, it's fixed and committed upstream now? that'd be fantastic
[14:12] <mitya57> not committed yet (but a pull request exists)
[14:12]  * Laney does a sad at 'only' :(
[14:13] <dholbach> Laney, hm?
[14:25] <dholbach> Laney, can you explain why you're sad? :)
[14:26] <Laney> dholbach: oh, because 'only' sounds like backports is somehow an inferior method of distribution
[14:26] <dholbach> no
[14:26] <dholbach> we're talking about something different
[14:27] <Laney> righto
[14:27] <dholbach> in the PPA we have a modified sphinx because i18n support in sphinx is still pretty fresh and we're trying to figure out issues together with upstream
[14:27] <dholbach> mitya57 has done the majority of the work
[14:27] <Laney> fair enough
[14:27] <dholbach> but we're not 100% there yet
[14:27] <dholbach> I'd love to have translations and up-to-date packaging guides in all pockets of Ubuntu
[14:27] <dholbach> it's in the cards, but will likely take a bit longer
[14:28] <dholbach> so no disrespect for backports here ;-)
[14:29] <mitya57> dholbach: forwarded the patch to debian (to debian bug 691719)
[14:29] <dholbach> mitya57, you're a hero
[14:29]  * dholbach hugs mitya57
[14:30]  * mitya57 hugs dholbach back and joins ~dholbach-huggers team on LP :-)
[14:30] <dholbach> haha :)
[15:00] <doko> cjwatson, still looking, it searches /usr/include/i386-linux-gnu/c++/4.7/32 instead of /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/c++/4.7/32
[15:12] <doko> hmm, only wrong on amd64
[15:20] <doko> cjwatson, ahh, wrong MULTIARCH_DIRNAME for all 64bit archs with multilib builds
[15:30] <doko> hmm, no amd64 only
[15:43] <slangasek> cjohnston: hey, are you resetting the trend lines on status.ubuntu.com now that we've hit FDF?  I don't think I have access to do this
[15:44] <cjohnston> working with is right now on it slangasek
[15:53] <stgraber> wendar, highvoltage: FYI bug 1082426
[15:54] <highvoltage> stgraber: cool
[15:56] <stgraber> hallyn: ^
[16:02] <hallyn> stgraber: excellent, thx
[16:15] <stgraber> hallyn: oh, and bug 509647 and bug 1082431 too
[16:15] <stgraber> jdstrand: I guess you'll want to look at those two when you have a minute (as I'm guessing any other MIR team member will redirect those to you anyway :))
[16:46] <wendar> stgraber: awesome!
[16:51] <hallyn> stgraber: heh, "all are direct cherry-pics of staging" - or rather vice versa :)
[16:51] <hallyn> time to send that syslog-ns description to the kernel team methinks
[16:57] <stgraber> hallyn: hehe, yeah, I should maybe have mentioned that we are the author of 90% of those so technically the staging branch cherry-picks from Ubuntu :)
[17:06] <`|`roll> FELLERS, I discovered a bug in Unity that could lead a remote attack to compromised your system.
[17:08] <xnox> `|`roll: file a bug on launchpad, make sure you tick security such that it is private and the ubuntu security team will collaborate with you to handle it.
[17:08] <`|`roll> I have done that 2 weeks ago.
[17:08] <`|`roll> I havent had any response.
[17:08] <xnox> `|`roll: also see #ubuntu-security channel to enquire about the status
[17:09] <xnox> `|`roll: what's the bug number?
[17:09] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Contacts
[17:09] <`|`roll> It is somewhere on my email
[17:10] <cjwatson> `|`roll: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~/+reportedbugs should show it, if you're logged in
[17:11] <`|`roll> I just emailed them again.
[17:20] <`l`roll> Can I start developing for Ubuntu?
[17:28] <slangasek> cjohnston: cheers :)
[17:43] <`l`roll> niggers
[17:43] <`l`roll> niggers
[17:43] <`l`roll> niggers
[18:05] <hallyn> stgraber: are you an appropriate one to ping on bug 1075717 in mountall?
[18:07] <stgraber> hallyn: yeah, I'll take a look. How comes we didn't see this before?
[18:15] <hallyn> stgraber: because we didn't mount a separate /dev before
[18:15] <hallyn> stgraber: thanks
[20:19] <wbgs_gaming> hello guys will you be releasing a Openbox version of ubuntu casue thats really like the only version that works for me somthing like Openbox with either lxde,xfce or tint2 panel ?
[20:23] <sarnold> wbgs_gaming: you can always install and run whatever window manager you want, no need for a different version of ubuntu.
[20:24] <wbgs_gaming> sarnold I was thinking of making a my own distro but i need more help if I dont get linux running good then i might as well as throw my pc out lol
[20:25] <wbgs_gaming> could I use Ubuntu as base for open box style distro also might run low latency kernel
[20:25] <sarnold> wbgs_gaming: yeah, there's no need for that :) you just need to make sure you get your windowmanager of choice installed...
[20:25] <sarnold> wbgs_gaming: you sure could
[20:25] <wbgs_gaming> sarnold you a dev
[20:26] <sarnold> wbgs_gaming: but making a new distribution is a fair amount of work.
[20:26] <wbgs_gaming> I think ubuntu tweak can uninstall useless apps right
[20:27] <wbgs_gaming> i wanna strip ubuntu down to its core and just have a menu where you can choose to install games in teh repositroy and when steam release have that there along side POL
[20:28] <wbgs_gaming> the liter te kernel the better
[20:28] <wbgs_gaming> we re only focusing on browsing the net and gaming -_-
[20:29] <wbgs_gaming> the distro should be under 500mb
[20:30] <ogra-cb> use lubuntu then
[20:31] <sarnold> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core -- ~20 megabytes
[20:31] <ogra-cb> it has an openbox install that you can pick as your default desktop on the login manager
[20:31] <ogra-cb> and its under 500M
[20:31] <sarnold> you get to pick exactly what you want. :)
[20:31] <ogra-cb> no
[20:31] <ogra-cb> dont use ubuntu-core
[20:31] <wbgs_gaming> sarnold any how thanks alot for your help I think ill reinstall ubuntu and try my idea DE's lag my pc also Lubuntu has errors all the time in 12.10 and the graphics preformence is junk with AMD
[20:31] <ogra-cb> unless you know exactly what you are doing
[20:31] <sarnold> wow
[20:31] <wbgs_gaming> what you reconmend
[20:31] <sarnold> wbgs_gaming: try lubuntu first.
[20:32] <wbgs_gaming> sarnold already have
[20:32] <ogra-cb> well, you could do a cmonnadline install using the mini iso, then install openbox and xorg and be done
[20:32] <ogra-cb> *commandline
[20:32] <wbgs_gaming> sarnold Xubuntu is what i like but snap to screen is a pain alwasy enabling and teh AMD graphics dont preform up to par
[20:33] <sarnold> wbgs_gaming: indeed, amd has historically been a pretty poor partner
[20:33] <wbgs_gaming> well on all the ubuntu distros AMD has not preformed upto par
[20:33] <sarnold> wbgs_gaming: nvidia has done better, if you don't mind running proprietary drivers
[20:33] <sarnold> s/ubuntu/linux/
[20:34] <wbgs_gaming> well i am not gona switch to nvidia just to run Linux lmao
[20:34] <sarnold> intel's drivers on the other hand are open and good.
[20:34] <sarnold> their performance may not be nvidia, but I'd pick intel every time. they're a good partner. :D
[20:34] <wbgs_gaming> not as powerfull and again that requires me buying another pc
[20:35] <wbgs_gaming> the only soulution is openbox too bad there aint a flavour of that ubuntu has every thing but that
[20:36] <wbgs_gaming> any how i am gona reinstall my ubuntu i burned it too fast before i am gona try it agian see how it goes.
[20:38] <wbgs_gaming> sarnold thansk alot and ttyl
[20:39] <sarnold> have fun wbgs_gaming :)
[21:05] <Logan_> vila: Are you around?
[21:32] <achiang> does ubuntu ship valgrind suppression files anywhere?
[21:39] <jtaylor> achiang: pkg -L valgrind | grep supp
[21:39] <jtaylor> dpkg
[21:40] <achiang> jtaylor: hm, let me ask another way. i want to ship a suppression file for fontconfig. is there a standard way to do so?
[21:42] <jtaylor> achiang: python3 places a file in the valgrind folder
[21:42] <achiang> ah, ok
[21:42] <jtaylor> but I kind of doubt that is really how it should be done
[21:42] <jtaylor> a valgrind.supp.d folder would be nice
[21:43] <jtaylor> better ask the valgrind maintainers
[21:45] <infinity> Looks like they go in /usr/lib/valgrind/${package}.supp
[21:45] <infinity> Seems reasonable.
[21:45] <infinity> Don't know why you'd need another level of abstraction.
[21:45] <infinity> achiang: ^
[21:46] <jtaylor> infinity: we have .d folders for so much why not for this too?
[21:46] <infinity> Why would it need one?
[21:46] <achiang> infinity: yep, i'm playing with ${package}.supp now
[21:46] <jtaylor> consistency
[21:46] <jtaylor> if I wouldn't have found python3 in there I would never have guessed that that works
[21:47] <jtaylor> (if it even works, did not test it)
[21:48] <achiang> strange, i dropped fontconfig.supp into /usr/lib/valgrind and it doesn't seem to get autoloaded (or used or whatever)
[21:49] <jtaylor> I'll file a bug in valgrind, at least a clear strategy for package should be documented
[21:49] <infinity>        --suppressions=<filename> [default: $PREFIX/lib/valgrind/default.supp]
[21:49] <achiang> ok, /usr/bin/valgrind is a wrapper
[21:49] <infinity>            Specifies an extra file from which to read descriptions of errors to suppress. You may
[21:49] <infinity>            use up to 100 extra suppression files.
[21:49] <infinity> ^-- I see no mention that they'll be autoloaded (except for default)
[21:49] <achiang> that calls valgrind with a --suppressions arg
[21:50] <achiang> for the libc-dbg package
[21:50] <infinity> Right, but it's not going to autodetect all others.
[21:50] <achiang> nod
[21:50] <infinity> Maybe it could/should?  I dunno.
[21:50] <achiang> well... so here's the thing
[21:51] <achiang> we want to recommend to lots of people to start valgrinding packages everywhere for the nexus7
[21:51] <achiang> but i don't want to be flooded with false positives
[21:51] <infinity> Are suppression files sufficiently well namespaced that they can't clash/conflict?
[21:51] <jpds> jtaylor: Erm, .d is for a configuration file that can be split into other configuration files.
[21:51] <achiang> i can write suppression files, but it would be super nice if valgrind would automatically use them
[21:51] <infinity> If not, then autoloading /usr/lib/valgrind/*.supp would be a losing strategy.
[21:52] <jtaylor> jpds: kind of applies to suppression files
[21:52] <achiang> no clue really, which is why i'm asking here. :)
[21:52] <jtaylor> jpds: you can cat them together or just add multiple --suppression args
[21:52] <infinity> jpds: I could see an argument for moving suppressions to /usr/lib/valgrind/suppressions/, but that would not only require patching valgrind, but every package that already ships the other way.
[21:53] <infinity> Which doesn't seem like a win, just for aesthetics.
[21:53] <achiang> ignoring the aesthetics question for now, how about simple tractability? the namespace issue seems annoying (but not insurmountable)
[21:53] <jtaylor> btw someone should merge valgrind from unstable
[21:54]  * jtaylor hides
[21:54] <infinity> achiang: The file namespace is clear, it's $package.supp, and we can't have conflicting package names.
[21:54] <jtaylor> infinity: what is with user suppressions?
[21:55] <infinity> jtaylor: Those tend to be in your build directory.
[21:55] <achiang> infinity: nod. i'd agree with that
[21:55] <jtaylor> there are reasons to have those system wide
[21:55] <jtaylor> though probably rare
[21:55] <achiang> the next question is, how to make valgrind magically use them
[21:56] <achiang> i don't want a situation where well-intentioned (but not super technical) folks flood LP with bogus reports
[21:57] <jtaylor> achiang: if lib/valgrind/ does not work then file a bug
[21:57] <jtaylor> to me it looks like a useful feature
[21:57] <infinity> achiang: The wrapper could be changed to walk /usr/lib/valgrind/*.supp and use them all, I'm just unsure if that's a good idea.
[21:58] <infinity> I don't know enough about valgrind suppressions to say one way or the other if you actually always want them all loaded.
[21:58] <achiang> jtaylor: see above, i wrote a fontconfig.supp and put it into /usr/lib/valgrind, but it doesn't get autoloaded. and i think i agree somewhat w/infinity that it might not be a good idea
[21:59] <achiang> maybe a better way to do this would be to write a user-friendly valgrind wrapper that knows to load specific suppression files based on the app you're profiling. except that's signing up for a *lot* of manual maintenance
[21:59] <infinity> achiang: Actually, that wouldn't be wildly difficult.
[22:00] <achiang> sketch an outline for me?
[22:00] <achiang> see also discussion here - https://code.launchpad.net/~achiang/ubuntu-nexus7/valgrind-ubuntu-dbg-packages/+merge/134841
[22:00] <infinity> achiang: Well, for C, it's easy.  Parse ldd output, trace owners of libraries to map lib->package, add $package.supp to command line.
[22:01] <achiang> maybe some sort of apport wrapper thingy that not only installs the -dbg packages but also adds $package.supp to cmdline?
[22:01] <infinity> achiang: For interpreted languages, a bit stickier, you'd need to parse the dpkg depends for the package, since there's no simple way to know all the deps of a shell script, for instance.
[22:02] <infinity> apport-retrace does indeed have most of the magic already, perhaps it could be leveraged for valgrindiness too.
[22:02] <achiang> infinity: i don't mind doing a simple thing first and then iterating to something fancy later
[22:02] <infinity> Since it also handles debug symbols and the like.
[22:04] <infinity> pitti / ev / bdmurray: Opinions on the suitability of genericising apport-retrace to also do valgrind dep-tracking magic?
[22:04] <achiang> but we run apport-retrace on the server side, right? i'd want something that's dead simple for users to run... the end goal is: ./wrapper <app> => *useful* log to upload to LP
[22:04] <achiang> (without multiple rtts)
[22:05] <infinity> achiang: It can be run locally too.  Some people do.
[22:06] <infinity> achiang: But this is more about possibly refactoring its dependency tracing and ddeb-installing magic, so it could be used in a valgrind wrapper, not really about retracing.
[22:06] <infinity> But writing code twice seems silly.
[22:06] <achiang> libnih? ;)
[22:06] <infinity> Not my project. :P
[22:06] <achiang> but yeah, +1 to code reuse
[22:06] <infinity> I'm a glibc maintainer, I believe in improving on old codebases, obviously.
[22:07] <infinity> (We'll ignore the ancient history of libc4 and libc5...)
[22:10] <achiang> infinity: looks like pitti is suggesting exactly that -- apport-valgrind <package>
[22:10] <infinity> achiang: Great minds and/or fools.
[22:10] <achiang> https://code.launchpad.net/~achiang/ubuntu-nexus7/valgrind-ubuntu-dbg-packages/+merge/134841/comments/291330
[22:11] <achiang> guess i should go stare at apport code
[22:12] <achiang> oh, oops, it was actually this comment where he suggests it - https://code.launchpad.net/~achiang/ubuntu-nexus7/valgrind-ubuntu-dbg-packages/+merge/134841/comments/291343
[22:14] <infinity> achiang: Right, of course that should be "apport-valgrind <binary> -- -args" with apport figuring out the package itself, but otherwise I agree that seems a sane way to go.
[22:16] <achiang> infinity: so not being entirely familiar w/apport, would someone be able to have a long running process in the -S sandbox?
[22:20] <infinity> achiang: I'm not hugely familiar with it myself, but I don't see why it wouldn't be possible.
[22:20] <infinity> achiang: Though, sandboxing may be overkill.  apport can do sandbox-free as well, I believe?
[22:21] <infinity> achiang: Just means removing the ddebs/-dbgs you install, instead of blatting a sandbox chroot.
[22:21]  * slangasek looks around for the library that libnih is redundant with ;)
[22:22] <infinity> slangasek: Possibly glib?
[22:22] <slangasek> I think that might've been the joke, but I know I'd much rather use libnih than glib
[22:22] <infinity> slangasek: Wasn't the intent to write a slimmer and more targetted glib, to avoid having glib as a low-level system dep, and then glib ended up a low-level dep of everything else anyway?
[22:22] <slangasek> it didn't
[22:22] <slangasek> not at that level
[22:23] <infinity> Pretty close.  It's required on Debian/Ubuntu.
[22:24] <slangasek> hmm, that appears to be a bug?
[22:24] <slangasek> I don't see any Prio: required revdeps in Ubuntu
[22:24] <infinity> udev?
[22:24] <slangasek> nope
[22:24] <infinity> Yep...
[22:24] <slangasek> though that reminds me, I should probably see about getting libjson moved to /lib before I reboot again
[22:24] <slangasek> libjsonc
[22:25] <slangasek> ah, udev does depend on it, weird that grep-available doesn't know this
[22:26] <slangasek> ok, so *why* does udev depend on glib? :)
[22:27] <infinity> Looks like a ton of the utils in /lib/udev link it.
[22:28] <slangasek> only /lib/udev/udev-acl
[22:29] <infinity> slangasek: You and I have divergent definitions of "only".
[22:29] <infinity> slangasek: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1380670/
[22:30] <slangasek> infinity: only one of those is from the udev package
[22:30] <infinity> Ahh.
[22:30] <infinity> Fair enough.
[22:30] <slangasek> the rest are hooks to the crazy train
[22:33] <infinity> Seems like mostly a non-issue since any sufficiently interesting system will have glib installed anyway.
[22:33] <infinity> Though, if that's the only thing dragging it into initrds as well, that's a bit irksome.
[23:18] <mspencer> Is this a good channel to ask questions about quickly?
[23:19] <bkerensa> mspencer: #quickly might be more adequate
[23:19] <mspencer> bkerensa: Thanks, I didn't know there was a specific channel.


[21:02] <johnmsith92> Hello everyone! is it possible to talk with an operator in private?
[21:03] <ikonia> what's up


[14:10] <cmaloney> morning
[14:11] <mrgoodcat> morning
[14:13] <rick_h> party
[14:15] <jrwren> can it still be weekend plz
[14:15] <rick_h> no...back to school next week. can it be next weekend plz?
[14:15] <rick_h> :P
[14:19] <jrwren> isn't it 2 weeks until school starts?
[14:19] <rick_h> not for us
[14:19] <rick_h> 1/2 day next monday
[14:19] <jrwren> i thought it was state law.
[14:19] <jrwren> private school?
[14:20] <rick_h> no, public oakland county school
[14:20] <jrwren> i think we had this conversation last year :)
[14:20] <rick_h> hah, I don't recall
[14:20] <jrwren> it is a law, but distrcts can opt out.
[14:20] <mrgoodcat> seems like school is starting earlier
[14:21] <mrgoodcat> for a lot of districts
[14:21] <cmaloney> Yeah, JoDee is back to school today
[14:22] <cmaloney> but Macomb usually starts early.
[14:23] <jrwren> she at MCC?
[14:26] <cmaloney> She's at all the great schools
[14:26] <cmaloney> 4 this semester
[14:26] <cmaloney> MCC, OCC, LTU and OU
[14:28] <jrwren> wow!
[14:28] <jrwren> how did she make that schedule work... also... ZOMG the driving.
[14:33] <cmaloney> They're not all the same day
[14:33] <cmaloney> and she also has a chauffer. ;)
[14:34] <mrgoodcat> fancy
[14:35] <cmaloney> The uniform chafes a bit though
[14:43] <rick_h> cmaloney:  oh please send a picture with the hat


[00:31] <xixor> yo, can anyone recommend programs for making technical sketches and diagrams?  inkscape is a little too geared towards art, and I'd like to see what else is out there
[00:36] <bazhang> !info dia
[00:42] <xixor> thanks bazhang
[00:42] <xixor> I've tried dia.  It's like calligra flowchart/diagram: too geared towards flow charts to make it a useful general purpose technical drawing tool.. at least, that is my assessment
[00:43] <xixor> I'm checking out ipe right now
[01:04] <m477> hi
[01:07] <dougl> my fonts are tiny for the apps that I sudo - any suggestions?
[01:12] <xixor> is there a way to force kwin to pass meta key to an app?  for example, I like having meta + click resize windows in KDE, but Xfig, and lots of other drawing programs, use meta as a modifier key for mouse clicks
[01:13] <avihay> xixor: you can change the kde shortcut to something else
[01:14] <xixor> I'd rather not
[01:17] <xixor> I guess I could reassign alt to the windows key for those window operations
[01:17] <robtygart> xixor: why not meta + shift +
[01:17] <xixor> meta+shift is not an option available in the "windows actions" settings dialog in KDE
[01:18] <robtygart> oh
[01:18] <xixor> lol, kde.
[01:19] <xixor> robtygart: the choices are alt, or meta
[01:20] <xixor> robtygart: I like how alt used to be meta.  The windows key became "super" key.  But now windows key is "meta', and alt is alt.  And the nomenclature of programs is a mixture of the various nomenclatures
[02:10] <GH0> Where is the config file forthe isc-dhcp-server? Prior to upgrading to 12.10, my DHCP server was working fine, now it isn't working at all, and the config file is still intact and the same place.
[02:10] <ncfi1013> hi...would anyone mind terribly if i troubled you for some information on what might be the most useful file format converter for .flac to .mp3?
[02:10] <GH0> I am also experiencing random lag on samba shares, vnc sessions, and I believe that the NIC may be dropping packets.
[02:22] <GH0> Hm, so fixed the DHCP server issue, but I don't know what is wrong with the lag, input/output issues with network connections. It is happening over samba, VNC, ssh, and several other networking related platforms.
[03:11] <ozzzy> well... it's official... I'm starting to enjoy kubuntu
[03:11] <xixor> cool
[03:12] <ozzzy> took a while
[03:12] <xixor> lol, it's taking me a while too
[03:12] <ozzzy> I'm too used to the 'mandriva way'
[03:12] <xixor> I'm still not in love with using linux as a daily desktop
[03:13] <ozzzy> I've been using linux since about 96
[03:13] <xixor> 97 for me
[03:14] <ozzzy> last windows system that was on here in dual-boot was NT4
[03:14] <ozzzy> but... I still have XP on the netbook and Win7 on the laptop
[03:14] <ikonia> does this have anything to do with kubuntu support ?
[03:14] <ozzzy> is anyone else saying anything
[03:15] <ikonia> that doesn't change the topic of the channel
[03:15] <ikonia> there are a few offtopic channels for chatting
[03:16] <xixor> ahh, back to sweet, sweet, silence.  thanks
[03:16] <ikonia> no problem, join one of the chat channels if you want to chatter
[03:16] <GH0> Where do I file a bug report for the kernel that is included in Kubuntu? It has some problems, that if I roll back to 3.2.x does not happen.
[03:16] <ikonia> GH0: launchpad.net
[03:16] <ikonia> !bug | GH0
[03:17] <GH0> Thank you.
[04:40] <personal> i have a fresh install of kubuntu, updated the system, restarted, installed vlc, restarted. vlc will play the dvd menu but not respond to anything after that. cant get the dvd to play. any ideas?
[04:41] <OerHeks> personal, correct, you need  libdvdread and the css script > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[04:42] <OerHeks> after installing Kubuntu restricted extra's , sudo apt-get install libdvdread4 &&sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh
[04:43] <OerHeks> Then you can play ( almost! )  any dvd.
[04:44] <personal> thank you so much for that link. (my first time on kubuntu) i suspected that a library like that (libdvdcss or something ) might be missing, but had no idea how to find that other than ask here. thanks again :)
[04:44] <OerHeks> have fun, personal
[04:46] <personal> ooooo...how do i get the restricted extras package?
[04:47] <OerHeks> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[04:47] <OerHeks> or tru muon software centre
[04:48] <personal> what?! i totally missed that!
[04:48] <personal> ok thanks again
[04:48] <OerHeks> :-)
[04:48] <personal> i got it coming down via command line
[04:48] <personal> *bumbs head on monitor
[04:48] <OerHeks> i prefer comandline too
[04:48] <personal> i cant *believe* i missed that
[04:49] <personal> !
[04:49] <personal> yeah i'm an old unix geek
[04:49] <OerHeks> take your time, personal, to read the docs.
[04:49] <personal> vi person
[04:49] <personal> *perk! docs?
[04:50] <OerHeks> the community docs, like the url i gave you.
[04:51] <personal> ooh so like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/   without the rest
[04:51] <personal> ?
[04:51] <OerHeks> oh, here are the official kubuntu guides > http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Kubuntuguide
[04:51] <personal> *bookmarking in firefox ...
[04:52] <OerHeks> the ubuntu and kubuntu doc for dvd are the same.
[04:54] <personal> there's a link to the restricted extras there too. i feel like such a noob. and there's already some ubuntu bookmarks in firefox! way cool folks!
[04:55] <OerHeks> yw
[04:55] <jedihawk> checking... yup, I still don't have a life.  :-D
[04:57] <OerHeks> game over?
[04:57] <personal> ok i tried hitting enter and i tried clicking with the mouse... my root shell has a ncurses looking dialog with a font liscense agreement in it and an ok button. how do i activate that ok button? (looks like   <OK>   )
[04:57] <personal> errm... lowercase k
[04:57] <OerHeks> maybe [tab] can reach that button?
[04:57] <personal> tab did it
[04:58] <OerHeks> oke
[04:58] <personal> *smacks forehead! i used to know this stuff!
[05:03] <personal> vlc still not working, not even a menu this time. gonna try a restart........brb
[05:03] <OerHeks> Yes, after restricted it is best to restart, or logout/login again.
[05:10] <simplew> JontheEchidna: ping
[05:19] <personal> ok restart did not fix vlc. you know the traffic cone you get when you first run vlc? i click on media > open disc > (/dev/dvd1) > play, the disc drive spins up and seeks some stuff then just spins, drive light is out and cone is still displayed in vlc. dvd does not play. any ideas?
[05:22] <jedihawk> personal: are you running vlc in a terminal window?
[05:22] <jedihawk> I'm thinking that vlc may be trying to tell you what the issue is, but you can't see it.  try running it in a terminal window and then go through the same steps as before, see what the output is.
[05:23] <personal> no ... i just insert a dvd, available options come up, i click vlc, (this is the other way i tried this)
[05:23] <personal> the first was to just use the k-gear menu (kubuntu)
[05:23] <OerHeks> correct region set? or does that not matter anymore ?
[05:24] <personal> never set region in kubuntu but it was probably done in windows 7 (customer computer)
[05:24] <jedihawk> personal: konsole
[05:27] <personal> just set region in konsole, (had to apt-get first)
[05:28] <jedihawk> personal: what's the command to run vlc?
[05:29] <personal> same behavior as before... now trying from commandline ...
[05:30] <personal> jedihawk, you are so right! oh! the error messages!!
[05:30] <personal> it says there's no css library installed
[05:31] <personal> i did install the restricted extras
[05:31] <personal> and even restartede afterwards
[05:31] <personal> -e
[05:32] <OerHeks> i read back, i missed a space between libdvdread & css, try again: sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh
[05:32] <OerHeks> then it should work instantly
[05:32] <personal> the command to run vlc is vlc /dev/dvd1
[05:32] <OerHeks> my bad, personal
[05:33] <personal> ok trying ...
[05:33] <OerHeks> i gave you " after installing Kubuntu restricted extra's , sudo apt-get install libdvdread4 &&sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh " notice the &&
[05:34] <OerHeks> you might need to restart vlc too.
[05:34] <jedihawk> bingo
[05:35]  * OerHeks goes sitting in the donkey-corner :(
[05:35] <personal> i did. it works!
[05:36] <personal> ok it still isnt responding to the mouse input ...
[05:36] <OerHeks> jedihawk +1 that is the best way to find out any errors
[05:37] <jedihawk> :-D
[05:40] <personal> *perplexed.
[05:40] <BluesKaj> personal, about ?
[05:41] <personal> any attemt to interact with the menu when it comes up results in vlc not responding to any further input + behaving as though paused without being paused
[05:42] <personal> quit and restart and open same disc and it will open to the menu you clicked on last time you ran vlc
[05:43] <personal> i been using vlc for nearly a decade and this is a first for me
[05:43] <BluesKaj> haven't encountered that , what about a different player ?
[05:44] <personal> *had heart set on vlc. hadn't tried anything else
[05:45] <personal> wait ...
[05:45] <personal> it's working but super slow and in slow jerky motion
[05:46] <BluesKaj> audio cd , if so try amarok, video try dragonplayer
[05:46] <OerHeks> did you check additional drivers for your videocard ?
[05:46] <OerHeks> then you might get gpu hw support.
[05:47] <BluesKaj> or kubuntu-restricted-extras
[05:47] <personal> OerHeks, no ... it's an nvidia card that *really* did not play well with the nv driver in another open source unix system
[05:47] <personal> i did get the restricted extras
[05:48] <personal> dragon player didnt do so well either
[05:49] <BluesKaj> like OerHeks says , have you checked additional drivers , they aren't installed by default , however the nvidia-current driver should work
[05:49] <personal> 1080p monitor
[05:50] <OerHeks> from nvidia 3xx you get full hw acceleration, its a blizz.
[05:50] <BluesKaj> 1080p , that's what I use as well , you need the nvidia-current to drive that reolution
[05:51] <BluesKaj> resolution
[05:51] <OerHeks> jups, current is safe.
[05:53] <personal> *uuuuggggghhh!   *sigh
[05:55] <personal> how do i get to the additional drivers?
[05:55] <OerHeks> type 'driver' in KDE menu, it will popup
[05:56] <OerHeks> you get 3 choices, use the 'current'
[05:57] <personal> ooops!
[05:58] <AMDAthlon> is the kubuntu PPA safe?
[05:58] <BluesKaj> additional drivers are in the kmenu>apps>system
[05:58] <BluesKaj> personal, ^
[05:59] <personal> found it, OerHeks method freakin rocks!
[05:59] <AMDAthlon> safe as in stable?
[05:59] <BluesKaj> AMDAthlon, for which kubuntu version?
[05:59] <AMDAthlon> 12.10
[05:59] <BluesKaj> yes
[05:59] <BluesKaj> AMDAthlon,
[05:59] <AMDAthlon> ?
[06:00] <personal> but i sorta activated the experimental beta driver, i canceled before it downloded tho
[06:00] <personal> downloaded
[06:00] <AMDAthlon> & the packages are tested in that right BluesKaj
[06:00] <BluesKaj> no personal install the nvidia-current driver in the terminal or package manager and reboot
[06:01] <personal> Getting the correct one now ...
[06:01] <BluesKaj> AMDAthlon, yes , otherwise they wouldn't be available
[06:01] <AMDAthlon> ok i see thanks! i will update to the latest KDE (4.9.3 i think)
[06:02] <personal> tho i have a note to make here. card does do opengl but is an old 32bit pci card (predates AGP)
[06:03] <BluesKaj> personal, which card is it ?
[06:03] <personal> checking ...
[06:03] <BluesKaj> AMDAthlon, yes , update , upgrade then dist-upgrade
[06:05] <personal> nvidia geforce  gt 520 (512MB DDR3)
[06:05] <OerHeks> that is no pci card, but pci-xpress, not that old.
[06:05] <personal> pci, hdmi, opengl 4.1, "Zotac"?
[06:05] <BluesKaj> the gt520 is not real old , nvidia-current will work fine
[06:06] <personal> "Geforce cuda"
[06:06] <BluesKaj> yup
[06:06] <BluesKaj> I just instlled the same card in wife's W7 pc, and it is a pcie
[06:07] <personal> O_o
[06:07] <OerHeks> it is a better card then mine, i am using a gt 430
[06:08] <BluesKaj> same here , mine's just an elcheapo 8400gs
[06:08] <personal> ok, gotta restart again ... brb
[06:08] <BluesKaj> it runs my plasma monitor
[06:10] <BluesKaj> wife is a bit of a gamer , LOTR , and it runs fine, even has directX 11 capability with 1G DDR3
[06:11] <OerHeks> this gt430 is a budget card, has vga/dvi/hdmi and i am using a vga-lcd monitor 1650x1080.it works fine, no need to upgrade.
[06:12] <BluesKaj> right , the entry level cards are fine for HD video nowadays
[06:13] <personal> thank you! thank you! thank you!!
[06:13] <personal> :D
[06:13] <personal> that fixed about a half dozen issues
[06:14] <personal> and the dvd plays perfectly now
[06:14] <BluesKaj> no hdmi , but I use a dvi to hdmi adapter cable , it even carries audio
[06:14] <OerHeks> good to hear, personal.
[06:15] <OerHeks> now you have an expensive dvd-player :-D
[06:15] <BluesKaj> personal, your issues should be gone now , and desktoop effects will work for you as well
[06:15] <personal> thank you!
[06:16] <personal> now for sound ...
[06:17] <BluesKaj> ok ,run aplay -l in the terminal to find the audio chip
[06:19] <personal> alc662, ICE1712, ?
[06:19] <BluesKaj> list the one beside card 0
[06:20] <personal> alc662 (card 0 is listed twice)
[06:21] <OerHeks> analog + digital ?
[06:21] <personal> card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: ALC662 rev1 Analog [ALC662 rev1 Analog]
[06:21] <personal>   Subdevices: 1/1
[06:21] <personal>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[06:21] <personal> yes the second listing is digital
[06:22] <OerHeks> same here, works OOTB
[06:22] <BluesKaj> iok , sorry I should have suggested open alsamixer in the terminal
[06:23] <BluesKaj> personal, are you using analog outputs to pc speakers
[06:25] <jim_> alsamixer
[06:25] <personal> yes
[06:26] <BluesKaj> personal, what's chip listed in the top left in alsamixer?
[06:26] <personal> ok that looks cool!
[06:27] <OerHeks> press F6 to change soundcard 0/1 and then F3 for playback, check if any meter is MM muted.
[06:27] <OerHeks> (use arrow keys)
[06:28] <personal> Card: HDA ATI SB                                                                     F1:  Help               │
[06:28] <personal> │ Chip: Realtek ALC662 rev1                                                            F2:  System information │
[06:28] <personal> │ View: F3:[Playback] F4: Capture  F5: All                                             F6:  Select sound card  │
[06:28] <personal> │ Item: Master [dB gain: -20.00]
[06:29] <personal> the needed outputs are not mm but some of the other stuff is
[06:30] <personal> *trying not to flood too badly, sorry
[06:31] <OerHeks> for multiple lines, use paste.ubuntu.com please, and copy the url
[06:31] <BluesKaj> personal, well any outputs you need should be 00, not MM
[06:32] <naught103> DHT doesn't appear to be working in ktorrent (magnet links aren't finding peers). Any idea how I can test if that's the problem, or where I should look?
[06:32] <personal> oh good, cuz the ones i need do say 00
[06:33] <BluesKaj> ok personal , in the terminal do , sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[06:33] <OerHeks> naught103, try the kubuntu torrent http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ those should work fine.
[06:34] <OerHeks> naught103, magnet links too. so if there are no pears, contact those guys.
[06:35] <personal> no output BluesKaj
[06:36] <BluesKaj> personal, if the modprobe command loads the audio module properly , there will be no output after the command
[06:36] <personal> oh!
[06:36] <naught103> OerHeks: those torrents have trackers though...
[06:36] <naught103> (and no, it's not working anyway... no peers
[06:37] <BluesKaj> personal,and if you want to unmute to (00) from MM use the M key
[06:37] <naught103> ok, now there are peers, aftern manually updating the tracker
[06:37] <personal> sound works! :D
[06:38] <BluesKaj> personal, cool :)
[06:40] <personal> i've asked for too much today already. thanks so much folks! we have full screen, hi-res video with sound. bbl
[06:40] <OerHeks> have fun!
[06:40] <personal> thanks!
[06:40] <personal> *bouncing off the walls!
[06:41] <BluesKaj> naught103, you could have used this site, http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[06:42] <naught103> BluesKaj: I'm not trying to download kubuntu. I'm trying to figure out why ktorrent isn't working.
[06:42] <BluesKaj> another happy customer :)
[06:42] <avihay> if a program wants to install to /usr/local/bin/ and I want to install it to /usr/bin/  , what parameter do I give cmake?
[06:42] <BluesKaj> it might be the site , naught103
[06:42] <naught103> BluesKaj: it's not. No torrent is working.
[06:42] <OerHeks> kubuntu torrent was just a test, if that failed, you needed to open ports.
[06:44] <BluesKaj> avihay, why /usr/bin ?
[06:44] <avihay> to override the packaged version
[06:45] <BluesKaj> well remove the packaged version before compiling
[06:46] <naught103> OerHeks:  hrm. possibly. I have never had trouble on this network before, and have tried it on another network too
[06:49] <BluesKaj> naught103, if it doesn't work and there are no peers , move on to something that does
[06:52] <naught103> hrm... yes, qbittorrent is working. Guess I will try wiping the ktorrent config
[06:52] <avihay> BluesKaj: stil wants to install to local
[06:54] <BluesKaj> avihay, bhen it's obviously the default path
[06:54] <BluesKaj> err then
[06:55] <avihay> $ cmake .. -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr       solves it
[06:58] <BluesKaj> avihay, well , if there's an optional path then it's your choice, I imagine /usr/bin is ok
[06:59] <avihay> I prefer to adhere to the distro's standard
[07:01] <BluesKaj> avihay, I've seen /usr/local/bin  as a default path for compiled apps recently ..why , is a mystery
[07:02] <BluesKaj> well ,it's getting late here , sacktime for me ....night all
[07:04] <OerHeks> thanks BluesKaj goodnight
[07:44] <almoxarife> there was a time when one could remove certain links from google search results, cant find any way of doing it now
[07:45] <almoxarife> softpile.com has to go, how do i keep myself from opening that site?
[07:47] <Tm_T> almoxarife: (some offtopic channel would be more suitable for this) if you go back to search results, it should give an option to "skip this site" in search results or something along those lines
[07:51] <almoxarife> Tm_T: it does not, btw, i didnt make myself clear, i want to keep an address block from completing connection, <IP_ADDRESS>/18 <-- that one, firewall rule?
[07:52] <almoxarife> but its outgoing though, that confuses me on how to
[07:53] <Tm_T> almoxarife: if you set softpile.com to point to your localhost in /etc/hosts then you never open that site?
[07:55] <almoxarife> Tm_T: wont work either, hosts is literal, softpile places chunks of the search to the web address, so in all cases its xxxx.softpile.com
[07:55] <almoxarife> too many variables
[07:56]  * almoxarife uses hosts to filter
[08:23] <z0rg> quassel bullshit. ) and kde too. )
[08:24] <z0rg> тупое тормозное говно )
[08:35] <htraki> How can I convert  ext4 to btrfs without reinstalling kubuntu 12.10?
[09:17]  * jedihawk still has no life.
[09:19] <almoxarife> jedihawk: who does? they lie!
[09:24] <Guest83460> hi
[11:02] <almoxarife> i have a file containing for each line a web-address, i want to add to each line prior to the web-address '<IP_ADDRESS>' followed by a fewspaces, how can i do this?
[11:38] <yofel_> almoxarife: assuming the web address start with http: sed 's#http://#<IP_ADDRESS> http://#' <file>
[11:40] <almoxarife> yofel_: the web adresses are all different without the 'http'
[11:40] <yofel_> are they somewhere in the line or at the beginning of a line?
[11:41] <almoxarife> yofel_: microchip on #suse already helped me, would you like to see his line?
[11:41] <yofel_> sure
[11:42] <almoxarife> cat yourfile | sed 's|^|<IP_ADDRESS>  |g' > newfile <-- yofel_
[11:42] <almoxarife> yofel_: worked like a charm
[11:43] <yofel_> yep, that's what I had suggested next as ^ is the start of a line
[11:44] <almoxarife> yofel_: the file originally contained a web addresses , dnsmasq needs the '127........' before the web-adress if i want to ignore the site
[11:44] <yofel_> ah, so that's supposed to look like /etc/hosts
[11:44] <almoxarife> yofel_: exactly
[11:45] <almoxarife> yofel_: although rather than having a hosts file that is a mile long one breaks it into separate files
[11:46] <yofel_> heh
[11:47] <almoxarife> yofel_: and running as the home dns cache server it keeps a royal butt ton of crap from showing up when browsing
[12:26] <AKnot_> a
[13:06] <AKnot> How do i get color inside the square when using mouse, it was enabled by default on mint kde but not on kubuntu
[13:07] <AKnot> And how do i disable the "Desktop" thing on upper right corner of the desktop
[13:10] <avihay> put mouse in square, hit mouse with hammer, square turns red?
[13:16] <xixor> AKnot_: the desktop thing in the top corner is not disableable.  the best you can do is move it all the way into the corner so that it is hidden a bit
[13:17] <AKnot_> :(
[13:17] <AKnot_> But how do i get the mouse thing?
[13:18] <AKnot_> Is it an "effect" or appearance or what, its not in mouse settings
[13:20] <xixor> I don't understand what you are trying to do
[13:21] <AKnot_> xixor, go to desktop press left mouse and drag.
[13:23] <nbca> Hey! Do you guys know if I can install the krunner plugin for appmenus? I read about it here http://www.afiestas.org/appmenu-runner-meet-the-kde-hud/
[13:24] <avihay> maybe you mean right click the desktop->default desktop settings, and in view->view->layout, select folder view, apply ?
[13:25] <AKnot_> So anyone know?
[13:25] <AKnot_> avihay, i have folder view. I can do the mouse drag thing i can only see the outer white lines. I want there to be light colour inside the square like normally there is
[13:28] <avihay> maybe you need to change your color theme, or desktop theme. mine has a blue outline and blue fill
[13:29] <zorael> Selection Background, I think
[13:30] <AKnot> Tried, its not
[13:32] <AKnot> I dont think its in colours since its 100% transparent. If it had any colour i would see it
[13:32] <xixor> I'm not able to select and drag a square on my desktop at all... I guess you need an applet/widget on the desktop showing folders or some junk?
[13:33] <zorael> Selection -> Normal Background, just tried it
[13:36] <AKnot> its set to light blue on me but i cant see it. Must a a kubuntu bug then
[13:36] <zorael> :/
[13:36] <AKnot> because i could see it in mint kde by default
[13:37] <xixor> you have composting/desktop effects/opengl support and all that working?
[13:37] <AKnot> atleast wobbly windows are working
[13:39] <AKnot> this is very annoying
[13:40] <xixor> must be horrid
[13:40] <AKnot> i try installing prop drivers
[13:55] <Shaan7> any idea why the pointer would move but clicks never happen when i run kubuntu 12.10 on a webtab or exopc?
[14:10] <netrunner_> hola
[14:10] <netrunner_> soy nuevo en esto
[14:10] <netrunner_> esto es un chat?
[14:20] <xixor> sup y'all: what is the fastest/eastiest way to take a screenshot, and get it hosted on imgur or one of those image sharing sites?  Anyone have a neat widget/plasmoid/applet/whatever?  I currently take screenshot, save as .png, copy to my webserver, copy it to folder.  Not that it's that hard at all.  But if there was a way I could do it in one step,that'd be sweet
[14:24] <Torch> xixor: pastebin plasmoid?
[14:24] <Torch> xixor: drag from screenshot app to it and that's it
[14:25] <xixor> an that plasmoid exist on a panel?  or does it need to be on the desktop
[14:25] <Torch> xixor: i have it on the desktop in a corner
[14:28] <xixor> Torch: cool, thanks, I added that to my panel... works great
[15:09] <rijack> dont know if this is possible, but could someone help me create a submenu that autopopulates in Klauncher?
[15:10] <rijack> so say point it to ~/Documents now all the Files and folders in Documents show show up in a new submenu
[15:14] <CQ> help, I just upgraded to quantal and now I can't log in... kdm comes up, I enter my passsword, the screen goes blank, and then goes back to the login screen. Home is mounted and I can get to it from a console
[15:14] <CQ> is there a kdm login error file in /var/log somewhere?
[15:14] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:15] <CQ> kdm.log has nothing useful...
[15:15]  * jedihawk still has no life.
[15:17] <AKnot> Lol i noticed the reason why i cant see the selection background. It doesnt work on "plastique" style. On oxygen it works
[15:21] <xixor> lol, u have no lifes
[15:22] <xixor> rijack: can you add a folder view widget to the Klauncher I wonder/
[15:22] <xixor> rijack: I have exactly as you describe on a panel using the "Folder View" widget
[15:26] <rijack> well with klauncher that would likely require quite a bit of programing proficiency as klauncer is already a widget but let me see what i can do directly on the taskbar
[15:28] <xixor> thankshm.....
[15:29] <xixor> rijack: the "computer" section of the application launcher already has somethign like that, a computer view
[15:44] <AKnot> Where can i see my catalyst drivers version?
[15:50] <BluesKaj> AKnot, kmenu>apps >settings
[15:51] <AKnot> you mean catalyst control center? i cant see it there
[15:54] <BluesKaj> AKnot, well that's where my nvidia gui settings are
[15:54] <BluesKaj> type catalyst in the kmenu search
[15:55] <AKnot> Well it i guess its the 12.10. Doesnt ubuntu always have the newest proprietary driver in the "additional drivers".
[15:55] <AKnot> blueskaj i cant see version number in the catalyst menu
[15:56] <BluesKaj> for ati driver version or catalyst control version ?
[15:56] <AKnot> ati driver
[15:57] <BluesKaj> AKnot, glxinfo | grep OpenGL
[15:58] <BluesKaj> in the terminal , AKnot
[15:58] <AKnot> The program 'glxinfo' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
[15:58] <AKnot> sudo apt-get install mesa-utils
[15:58] <BluesKaj> yes
[15:58] <BluesKaj> do that then run the OpenGL command again
[15:59] <AKnot> OpenGL vendor string: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
[15:59] <AKnot> OpenGL renderer string: ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series
[15:59] <AKnot> OpenGL version string: 4.2.11903 Compatibility Profile Context
[15:59] <AKnot> OpenGL shading language version string: 4.20
[15:59] <AKnot> OpenGL extensions:
[15:59] <FloodBotK1> AKnot: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:00] <AKnot> And why are the drivers called firegl? i dont have firegl card
[16:01] <xixor> you know, KDE really is so configurable.  So much so that I think that using someone elses machine would be a pita
[16:01] <AKnot> i have hd 5700
[16:02] <BluesKaj> AKnot, look in kmenu>apps>system>additional drivers
[16:03] <BluesKaj> AKnot, drivers are given different names than the graphics cards in many cases
[16:04] <BluesKaj> because they can be used by several differnt cards by the same mfgr
[16:12] <xixor> man... I love virtualbox so much.  Have a windows VM, with iTunes, my Garmin GPS running watch software, all my training software that is windows only, etc, all right there in linux for me, and all the training data is synced via dropbox from the windows guest
[16:13] <BluesKaj> BBL
[16:16] <robtygart> xixor: is there anyway I can run Itune with out needing to have a VM of Windows?
[16:16] <AKnot> Whats the point of using windows programs when there is linux equivelant?
[16:16] <robtygart> Aknot: ?
[16:17] <robtygart> What else can I use for my Ipod?
[16:17] <robtygart> I tried Banshee but it does not detect it.
[16:20] <AKnot> try clementine
[16:20] <AKnot> i think it does
[16:20] <robtygart> Thanks I will check it out. Now I need to find my wire for the ipod. lol
[16:21] <ezi0d> robtygart: as for itunes, it doesn't work with wine, so you need a VM/dual boot to use it
[16:22] <xixor> robtygart: no idea
[16:22] <xixor> robtygart: maybe iTunes will work in wine
[16:22] <robtygart> ezi0d: Ok, I really don't want to put MS on my computer I will look for a linux version
[16:23] <ezi0d> robtygart: if all you need to sync is music, i think there are alternatives
[16:23] <robtygart> ezi0d: Yes just music.
[16:24] <xixor> I like iTunes.  My ipod is my primary music storage.  I don't keep music on my various computers and try to sync it... I just use my ipod
[16:24] <AKnot> then there is gtkpod. Its gtk but i dont think it matters
[16:25] <robtygart> Ok cool thank you!
[17:06] <dougl> morning folks
[17:07] <BluesKaj> hi dougl
[17:11] <dougl> hi BluesKaj how are you today?
[17:11] <BluesKaj> fine thanks dougl , and you ?
[17:11] <BluesKaj> I see your issue on #kde
[17:12] <dougl> not too bad... got a foot of snow so kinda bummed about winter but am blessed with a healthy/helpful boy and a nice snowblower so I wont let it get me down :)
[17:13] <dougl> yeah - still having issues with my fonts... not sure what to make of them or the messages - any thots>
[17:13] <dougl> ?
[17:13] <BluesKaj> you can setup your fonts for apps that require root permission with kdesudo systemsettings command in krunner
[17:14] <BluesKaj> then just go abouyt setting your font prefernces as you would with user system settings
[17:15] <dougl> I tried to run krunner from cli and gave me errors...
[17:15] <BluesKaj> also , do an update and dist-upgrade first , I should have mentioned that
[17:16] <BluesKaj> < a little fuzzy today , was out at a garage gig last night
[17:16] <dougl> BluesKaj, you did not even need to say it... that was the last thing I did yesterday while contemplating the issue - will check now again
[17:17] <xixor> dup
[17:18] <dougl> yeah - is up to date... still getting 404 errors when I update too.
[17:18] <dougl> xixor, hello
[17:19] <BluesKaj> dougl, probly repos that aren't available
[17:21] <AKnot> Whats the name of the program which opens .deb files?
[17:21] <BluesKaj> the unavailable repos aren't going to affect anything , however your font error isn't familiar
[17:21] <BluesKaj> dougl,^
[17:21] <dougl> BluesKaj, yeah - they are the least of my worries but am waiting for my machine to depend on one of those resources and it not be there... time to install 13.04 lol
[17:21] <dougl> dpkg
[17:22] <BluesKaj> dougl, have you added the kubuntu-ppa for KDE 4.9.3 ?
[17:23] <dougl> BluesKaj, I installed mplayer... no -> kubuntu-ppa for KDE 4.9.3, and after that my machine went wierd with font issues and sources issues... cant remember exactly what I did.
[17:23] <dougl> BluesKaj, you think a new version of kde will iron out my appearence issues?
[17:24] <BluesKaj> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa
[17:24] <BluesKaj> then ud and dist-upgrade
[17:25] <BluesKaj> ud=update
[17:25] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[17:26] <dougl> BluesKaj, 202 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[17:26] <dougl> Need to get 94.3 MB of archives.
[17:26] <dougl> After this operation, 804 kB disk space will be freed.
[17:26] <ud> )
[17:26] <dougl> phoenix_firebrd, hello
[17:26] <dougl> BluesKaj, that is what you had in mind right?
[17:26] <BluesKaj> ud is my alias for sudo apt-get update
[17:26] <phoenix_firebrd> dougl: hi
[17:26] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: hi
[17:26] <dougl> ie go with the install?
[17:26] <BluesKaj> dougl, yes
[17:26] <dougl> ie go with the install?
[17:27] <BluesKaj> yes
[17:27] <dougl> k
[17:27] <BluesKaj> hi phoenix_firebrd
[17:32] <AKnot> WHY WONT ENEMY TERRITORY LAUNCH
[17:33] <phoenix_firebrd> AKnot: did you try to start the game from the terminal and see if you get any error message?
[17:34] <AKnot> how do i launch it from terminal?
[17:35] <dougl> hmmm - my 2048x1152 recordmydesktop video does not work on youtube... are there any other resources to share videos?
[17:37] <phoenix_firebrd> AKnot: IS the game installed?
[17:37] <AKnot> ofcourse
[17:37] <BluesKaj> why not use youtube-dl , install it , then go to your youtube that would like to share , copy the url and do youtube-dl urladdress
[17:38] <phoenix_firebrd> AKnot: can you see the launcher in the kmenu?
[17:38] <BluesKaj> dougl,^
[17:38] <AKnot> yes
[17:38] <AKnot> but not in games menu but in lost & found
[17:38] <phoenix_firebrd> AKnot: so now you dont know the command to launch the game in terminal?
[17:38] <AKnot> i dont know
[17:39] <BluesKaj> AKnot, try sudo dbus-launch "game" in the terminal
[17:39] <phoenix_firebrd> AKnot: let me google and find the exe name
[17:39] <AKnot> exe?
[17:39] <AKnot> its native linux
[17:40] <phoenix_firebrd> AKnot: ya, try to run this command "etwolf"
[17:41]  * dougl googling youtube-dl
[17:42] <BluesKaj> dougl, it's in the repos , sudo apt-get install youtube-dl
[17:42] <BluesKaj> BBL
[17:42] <dougl> BluesKaj, that is for me to dl videos I want you to see the video
[17:43] <AKnot> command not found
[17:43] <dougl> or someone else
[17:43] <phoenix_firebrd> AKnot: try this
[17:43] <dougl> BluesKaj, anyway kde is done installing = reboot?
[17:43] <BluesKaj> then just post the url in the text
[17:43] <phoenix_firebrd> AKnot: "cd /"
[17:43] <phoenix_firebrd> AKnot: "cd bin"
[17:43] <BluesKaj> dougl, reboot , yes
[17:43] <AKnot> the launch file name is: et or et.x86
[17:43] <phoenix_firebrd> AKnot: "./etwolf"
[17:44] <BluesKaj> bb in a few mins
[17:44] <AKnot> its in: /usr/local/games/enemy-territory/
[17:44] <phoenix_firebrd> AKnot: then run that
[17:44] <AKnot> whats the command
[17:44] <AKnot> sh?
[17:44] <dougl> BluesKaj, lol - that is my point playing the video just gives a blank grey screen... I dont think a component of making or displaying the video can handle the 2048x1152
[17:44] <dougl> resolution.
[17:44] <phoenix_firebrd> AKnot: "cd /usr/local/games/enemy-territory/"
[17:45] <phoenix_firebrd> AKnot: "./et"
[17:45] <dougl> anyway - not important... rebooting brb
[17:45] <XiaYixuan> hi
[17:45] <phoenix_firebrd> XiaYixuan: hi
[17:45] <XiaYixuan> kan I use One with kubuntu?
[17:46] <phoenix_firebrd> XiaYixuan: you mean ubuntuone?
[17:46] <XiaYixuan> yeah
[17:46] <phoenix_firebrd> XiaYixuan: yes you can
[17:46] <XiaYixuan> kk
[17:46] <phoenix_firebrd> !ubuntuone
[17:46] <AKnot> a
[17:47] <AKnot>          /et.x86: error while loading shared libraries: libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[17:47] <xixor> Do you guys use ubuntu one?
[17:47] <phoenix_firebrd> AKnot: are you using a 64 bit or 32 bit system?
[17:49] <AKnot> phoenix_firebrd 64
[17:49] <phoenix_firebrd> AKnot: so did you download the 64 bit game version?
[17:49] <AKnot> there isnt one
[17:49] <phoenix_firebrd> AKnot: do you know about paste.kde.org
[17:50] <AKnot> yes
[17:51] <phoenix_firebrd> AKnot: Paste the output of this command "ldd ./et"
[17:52] <AKnot> says its not a dynamic executably
[17:52] <AKnot> executable
[17:52] <AKnot> but i did idd ./et and it shows a bunch of text
[17:52] <AKnot> did u mean idd?
[17:53] <AKnot> oh wait they are just suggestions
[17:54] <dougl> xixor, what is ubuntu one?
[17:55] <phoenix_firebrd> dougl | !ubuntuone
[17:55] <phoenix_firebrd> !ubuntuone
[17:55] <dougl> phoenix_firebrd, thanks
[17:55] <xixor> dougl: Online cloud storage, and a few other things.  I already use Dropbox quite a bit
[17:55] <phoenix_firebrd> AKnot: whats are the suggestions?
[17:55] <xixor> was thinking of using ubuntu one as a way of backing up my kubuntu machine though
[17:56] <dougl> ah
[17:56] <AKnot> http://paste.kde.org/604046/
[17:56] <phoenix_firebrd> dougl: by using ubuntuone you will be supporting canonical(the company that backs ubuntu)
[17:57] <phoenix_firebrd> AKnot: you have to install ldd
[17:57] <phoenix_firebrd> AKnot: I assume you know how to do that
[17:57] <AKnot> what is it
[17:57] <phoenix_firebrd> AKnot: its a dependency checker
[17:58] <phoenix_firebrd> AKnot: it sees if all the dependency of the executable are available properly
[17:58] <phoenix_firebrd> !ldd
[17:58] <AKnot> !ldd
[17:58] <AKnot> cant find it in repos
[17:58] <SIR_Taco__> AKnot: libc-bin is what you need to install
[17:58] <phoenix_firebrd> AKnot:  the bot doesnt know
[17:59] <phoenix_firebrd> AKnot: thats right
[17:59] <dougl> !libc-bin
[17:59] <AKnot> its installed
[17:59] <phoenix_firebrd> AKnot: ldd is in the package libc-bin, install that package
[18:00] <phoenix_firebrd> AKnot: in that case run "ldd ./et" and paste the output
[18:01] <AKnot> http://paste.kde.org/604052/
[18:01] <AKnot> i did ldd ./etx86
[18:01] <SIR_Taco__> you'll likely also need to install ia32-libs (to run the 32-bit compiled program on your 64-bit machine)
[18:02] <phoenix_firebrd> SIR_Taco__: thats most probable one
[18:02] <AKnot> damn 77megas
[18:03] <AKnot> is ia32-libs needed for every 32bit game?
[18:03] <phoenix_firebrd> AKnot: yes when you had installed a 32 bit application
[18:04] <AKnot> but almost every program is x86
[18:04] <AKnot> and they work
[18:04] <AKnot> is it only for games?
[18:05] <SIR_Taco__> AKnot: it's not just for games. Likely, if you installed a 32-bit program (through package manager, apt, etc.) it pulled the 32-bit libraries it needed.
[18:05] <AKnot> oh thats right
[18:05] <AKnot> well lets hope it launches after this
[18:06] <SIR_Taco__> AKnot: you could try just installing the ones it cant find and see if you get furter: libX11 (i386), libXext (i386)
[18:07] <dougl> yeah - not sure what I was supposed to accomplish but there were no changes in my tiny fonts on selected applications.
[18:07] <AKnot> im already installing the ia32 thing. are u sure libx11 etc are included in that?
[18:08] <AKnot> wtf it was installing the ia32-libs and it was at about 30% then it suddenly went to the package manager and it shows that it is installed
[18:11] <AKnot> ok the game launches now, but i dont have any sound and i cant use §
[18:11] <dougl> it's all an elaborate scheme - linux is really the most interesting computer virus... lol
[18:11] <AKnot> :(
[18:12] <SIR_Taco__> AKnot: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnemyTerritory
[18:15] <dougl> AKnot, I was kidding
[18:16] <AKnot> lol i know
[18:16] <dougl> ok - I did not want to discourage you
[18:16] <AKnot> im newbie to linux but not THAT newbie. i did use ubuntu few years ago for awhile
[18:17] <AKnot> 9.04 i think
[18:17] <dougl> but seriously - linux is awsome to hate...
[18:17] <AKnot> when it was gnome 2
[18:17] <AKnot> nah i love linux
[18:17] <dougl> is good once you get it configured - you are trying to game?
[18:17] <AKnot> even if it does give me headaches sometimes
[18:17] <AKnot> i dont relaly care if i cant get couple of games to work, not a big deal
[18:17] <dougl> same here
[18:18] <phoenix_firebrd> anyone tried steam beta?
[18:18] <dougl> someone in the channel has if i remember corectly
[18:19] <AKnot> can someone check enemy territory at muon package manager if u can see it there, for some reason i do, i dont think i did before
[18:20] <phoenix_firebrd> dougl: what was it?
[18:21] <xixor> AKnot: I don't see it
[18:21] <AKnot> ok
[18:21] <dougl> phoenix_firebrd, err - waht was what?
[18:21] <davide_> alien
[18:21] <AKnot> i dont know why it put it there after i installed it, it even shows that its not installed
[18:21] <phoenix_firebrd> dougl: the game
[18:21] <dougl> oh - I don't recall sorry
[18:24] <AKnot> Ok i uninstalled et. but i still have the shortcut in kmenu. How do i delete it
[18:26] <salvatore> non riesd inquadrare il progammaco a
[18:30] <robtygart> AKnot: if you can find it "enemy territory" in your muon package manager, you can right click on it and click "Mark for Purge" If its in your favorites right click and click remove from Favorites
[18:30] <dougl> I am having font issues with my kde installed with kubuntu 12.10 - the font size when I 'kdesu systemsetting' is so small it is unreadable and not sure if it is related but I get a message when I launch apps from cli 'Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/50-user.conf", line 9: reading configurations from ~/.fonts.conf is deprecated.' Anyone have any suggestions?
[18:30] <dougl> my kmail and kate applications display normal sized fonts but when I print the font is huge on the printout - is this a kde thing?
[18:31] <robtygart> I don't see enemy territory in my "Software Center" you must have added an extra ppa
[18:31] <simplew> yofel_: ping
[18:31] <AKnot> robtygart i cant find it anymore after i uninstalled it. Im trying to find out the folder in which all the kmenu shortcuts are. I had this same problem few months ago but i cant remember the folder
[18:32] <robtygart> use locate -i
[18:32] <robtygart> locate -i kmenu (or what ever file your looking for)
[18:32] <dougl> kicker no?
[18:33] <AKnot> btw does ark support .rar?
[18:33] <AKnot> i cand unrar a .rar
[19:07] <Xia> hi
[19:07] <Xia> is kubuntu 12.10 iso fragmented?
[19:08] <Xia> 50%, stuck at it
[19:12] <Xia> what is daily live?
[19:12] <Xia> x64
[19:12] <Xia> at unetbootin
[19:13] <Xia> is it beta?
[19:14] <Tm_T> daily live where?
[19:15] <Xia> at netbootin
[19:15] <Xia> unetbootin*
[19:15] <Tm_T> Xia: be more specific, direct link to the said iso would be benefitical
[19:15] <Xia> not exists
[19:15] <Xia> google it
[19:16] <Tm_T> Xia: that doesn't mean I would end up looking the same iso you're looking (:
[19:16] <Xia> i have no working laptop, thanks to the fragmented kubuntu 12.10 x64 iso...
[19:17] <Xia> so i kant sho you no link, sory
[19:21] <Tm_T> Xia: did you check the image's integrity after downloading it?
[19:21] <Xia> no
[19:22] <Xia> is it possible?
[19:23] <Xia> i run "check integrity of this disc" from the usb live disk
[19:27] <marcellux> what is exactly not working?
[19:36] <Xia> "this disc is corrupted." or something
[19:37] <Xia> oh. "eitjer the. setup disc or the hdd is corrupted"
[19:37] <Xia> either*
[19:38] <robtygart> Xia: can you boot from a live CD, then can you access the hard disk.
[19:40] <Xia> yeah
[19:40] <marcellux> disc meaning the image?
[19:40] <Xia> idk
[19:40] <Xia> guess its the pendrive
[19:41] <marcellux> how did you set up the pendrive?
[19:41] <Xia> unetbootin
[19:42] <Xia> .it copied the content to the usb drive
[19:42] <marcellux> maybe you should try with "startup disk creator"
[19:42] <Xia> extracted
[19:42] <Xia> startup dk disnt work
[19:42] <marcellux> it is just built in
[19:42] <robtygart> If anyone was wondering what he was talking about with "Unetbootin" and daily live..
[19:42] <robtygart> Unetbootin is a program that has options to download different OS. You have the choice to download the daily live image.
[19:42] <Xia> didnt*
[19:43] <robtygart> It will download directly to your USB drive with out dowloading the iso images
[19:43] <Xia> is daily live a beta iao?
[19:43] <Xia> iso
[19:43] <marcellux> daily live image... many times I tried that, it failed
[19:43] <Xia> kk
[19:43] <robtygart> Is the Daily live 13.04?'
[19:44] <marcellux> it is better to download the iso image from the kubuntu site, and then create the startup disk to the usb pendrive
[19:44] <Xia> i download 12.04 then. half year old but still supported
[19:45] <Xia> 12.10 is not available from most recent windows unetbootin
[19:47] <marcellux> try not to download the image with uentbootin. just use an already downloaded image
[19:48] <Xia> kool. 12.04 is flawless
[19:48] <Obsidian1723> also, just an fyi, try and use wget when downloading images. Ive had better luck with that than not.
[19:48] <Xia> marcellux, olredy tried. didnt work
[19:51] <marcellux> Xia, did you also try the "startup disk creator"?
[19:52] <marcellux> you can find it under start menu > system
[19:52] <Xia> tried the startup, didnt work. i was adviced to use unetbootin
[19:53] <Xia> but it seems to work now
[19:53] <Xia> do i select ext2 file system?
[19:53] <Xia> for main drive
[19:54] <Xia> on install kubuntu
[19:54] <marcellux> I installed it on ext4
[19:54] <DarthFrog> Xia: You want to select ext4.
[19:54] <marcellux> I had it before installed on ext2
[19:55] <Xia> kk
[19:55] <marcellux> and it was checking the HDD at every startup
[19:55] <marcellux> really anoying
[19:56] <Xia> 705 MBis enuf for swap, no?
[19:56] <marcellux> are you having a dualboot?
[19:56] <Xia> yeah
[19:56] <Xia> windows is for gaming
[19:56] <DarthFrog> Xia:  How much RAM do you have installed?
[19:56] <marcellux> for swap it is recommended to use 5 GB
[19:57] <Xia> most wanted doesnt work on linux c_c
[19:57] <Xia> i cant install RAM
[19:57] <Xia> its physical
[19:57] <DarthFrog> Doesn't matter.  How much is there?
[19:57] <Xia> 3gig ram
[19:58] <DarthFrog> Then you'd want at least a 3 gig swap.
[19:58] <Xia> kk
[19:59] <DarthFrog> You don't need a swap 2x RAM size with that much RAM.  Under a gig of RAM, you'd want 2x RAM size for swap.  I don't even have a swap partition.
[19:59] <marcellux> are you having 3 partitions, windows, kubuntu and one for data?
[20:01] <Xia> useless windows drive (100 MB, maybe cache?) windows install, data, ext4, swap
[20:01] <marcellux> u might wanna access your data either using windows or kubuntu, right?
[20:01] <Xia> 5 drives
[20:02] <Xia> sure
[20:02] <marcellux> windows 7 creates a 100 MB partition
[20:02] <Xia> data is ntfs
[20:03] <marcellux> good so. cuz I forgot once to do so... I could access to windows data from kubuntu but not viceversa
[20:10] <AKnot> can ark unrar .rar files?
[20:10] <ElTimo> AKnot: If you install the unrar package.
[20:11] <ElTimo> Whenever I try to connect to facebook chat with KDE Telepathy, it connects for a few seconds then disconnects saying "the connection was canceled on your request," even though I don't get a chance to touch anything before it disconnects.
[20:15] <ElTimo> Anyone have any clue why it keeps doing that?
[20:19] <AKnot> eltimo how
[20:19] <ElTimo> AKnot: What do you mean how?
[20:19] <AKnot> unrar or unrar-free
[20:19] <ElTimo> It doesn't matter.
[20:21] <AKnot> had to install the nonfree one to work
[20:29] <amirz> can anyone here please help me??
[20:29] <amirz> kubuntu new user looking for tiny help, it will take a minute
[20:30] <amirz> anyone please?
[20:31] <InspectorCluseau> !ask
[20:32] <Xia> how to update all updates?
[20:32] <Xia> or apply, rather
[20:32] <Xia> like "sudo apt-" or something
[20:32] <Xia> the install finished properly
[20:33] <robtygart> sudo apt-get update Then sudo apt-get upgrade
[20:33] <InspectorCluseau> Xia, use the update manager
[20:33] <amirz> im having a problem with my skype at kubuntu 12.10, the answer to my problem is at this link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1840024&page=2   , HOWEVER, i cant seem to find skype folder not to speak about the config.xml , ive searched everywhere and even tried to disable hidden files/folder
[20:33] <Xia> InspectorCluseau: error
[20:34] <AKnot> !patience
[20:34] <AKnot> !patience
[20:34] <AKnot> !patience
[20:34] <FloodBotK1> AKnot: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:34] <Xia> not all packages could be marked for upgrade
[20:34] <xixor> sup
[20:34] <robtygart> Xia: did you use sudo apt-get update then use sudo apt-get upgrade
[20:34] <Xia> thanks
[20:35] <robtygart> Xia: when you get a chance type man apt-get this will give you information about apt-get
[20:40] <Xia> robtygart: cool
[20:42] <robtygart> Xia: the man command is my favourite, lots of information.
[20:46] <brian6705> Good morning.  I'm trying to install new NVIDIA drivers in Kubuntu but I have to have X stopped.  I'd like to just set my current runlevel to 3 without changing boot parameters.  Is that possible?
[20:51] <BluesKaj> installing nvidia drivers requires X to be stopped , sudo service lightdm or kdm stop , install the driver at the tty , ctrl+alt +F1 , then  after driver installs , startx
[20:55] <ozzzy> I used some tool in the start menu to install the nvidia drivers
[20:55] <Xia> robtygart: heard of it
[20:55] <ozzzy> called Additional Drivers
[20:56] <BluesKaj> the tool is in kmenu>apps>system>additinal drivers
[20:56] <Xia> brb
[20:56] <BluesKaj> still requires a reboot tho
[20:57] <BluesKaj> whereas if you drop to atty and stop the DM , then just startx is required
[21:11] <Xia> an error has occurred :(
[21:13] <Xia> http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=235478
[21:13] <Xia> error at first shutdown
[21:13] <Xia> is it usual?
[21:24] <BluesKaj> Xia it could be jockey , which graphics card ?
[21:27] <XiaYixuan> BluesKaj, idk
[21:28] <BluesKaj> XiaYixuan, lspci | grep VGA
[21:34] <XiaYixuan> BluesKaj, 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS880M [Mobility Radeon HD 4200 Series]
[21:34] <XiaYixuan> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Seymour [Radeon HD 6400M Series]
[21:35] <XiaYixuan> ctrl+alt+t gives no konsole :(
[21:35] <XiaYixuan> why is that?
[21:36] <XiaYixuan> it did work at ubuntu...
[21:36] <Basil1x> Hello... I just upgraded to 12.10... now KTorrent is having issues.  It no longer puts its' icon in the taskbar
[21:37] <Basil1x> Is there some way to restore this behaviour?
[21:37] <linux> yalnızım lan amına koyum aqqqqq
[21:38] <SIR_Taco__> Basil1x: there is an option in Ktorrent settings... also, it may just be hidden in your system tray (right click system tray -> system tray settings -> "entries")
[21:38] <Basil1x> hmmm... can't seem to find the option
[21:38] <lordievader> XiaYixuan: Kubuntu and Ubuntu do not share the same key-bindings, you can configure the key-bindings in System-Settings -> Keyboard Shortcuts.
[21:39] <SIR_Taco__> Basil1x: which option?
[21:39] <Basil1x> OK... they're checked, and the icon still is not there
[21:40] <SIR_Taco__> Basil1x: but is it hidden in the system tray? (there should be an up arrow/triangle that will show the hidden icons)
[21:41] <Basil1x> It isn't there, either
[21:41] <XiaYixuan> lordievader, it doesn't have konsole shortcut ._.
[21:41] <SIR_Taco__> Basil1x: and ktorrent is currently open?
[21:41] <Basil1x> looking at it now
[21:42] <Basil1x> perhaps I should add the ppas I was using before I upgraded.  I think one of them was for ktorrent
[21:42] <lordievader> XiaYixuan: Under "Custom Shortcuts" you can make your own.
[21:44] <Basil1x> Bugger!  I'll have to deal with this later.  Larger problems just walked in the front door X(
[21:44] <Basil1x> Thanks, and I'll be back
[21:54] <BluesKaj> XiaYixuan, in the terminal , sudo lshw -c video . then from the reulting list find ,configuration: driver= , and post that
[21:54] <BluesKaj> resulting list
[21:56] <XiaYixuan> radeon latency=0
[22:01] <BluesKaj> XiaYixuan, afaik that's the correct driver , there is a newer version on the ati website for linux drivers called radeon XXX  ,  X meaning there are numbers following the word radeon
[22:02] <BluesKaj> XiaYixuan, afaik that's the correct driver , there is a newer version on the ati website for linux drivers called radeon XXX  ,  X meaning there are numbers following the word radeon , but otherwise haven't much experience with those drivers
[22:02] <XiaYixuan> BluesKaj, so I just leave it that way?
[22:02] <XiaYixuan> no further doing needed?
[22:03] <BluesKaj> XiaYixuan, thatr depends , are you satisfied with it;s performance , can you enable desktop effects etc?
[22:05] <XiaYixuan> BluesKaj, what is desktop effect?
[22:05] <XiaYixuan> BluesKaj, I'm satisfied with the mediaplayer performance
[22:06] <XiaYixuan> although it'd be much better if the player could parse the subtitle formatting
[22:06] <XiaYixuan> but the image quality is good
[22:07] <BluesKaj> XiaYixuan, kmenu>computer>system settings>desktop effects
[22:08] <XiaYixuan> BluesKaj, it's just for fanciness, no?
[22:08] <XiaYixuan> the effects
[22:11] <XiaYixuan> chinese ass subtitles aren't even shown :(
[22:12] <XiaYixuan> so I can't watch anime with Chinese subs on Kubuntu?
[22:19] <XiaYixuan> see ya
[22:30] <lucio123> Hi to all, I just installed Kubuntu 12.10 in my PC
[22:30] <lucio123> It's a great system
[22:30] <xia> hi
[22:31] <lucio123> I only have a problem: Amarok
[22:31] <lucio123> It was working at the beginning and now it's impossible to open it
[22:32] <xia> I can't do the volume change :(
[22:32] <lucio123> Do you have any suggestions?
[22:32] <xia> the startup sound is always going to be loud
[22:32] <xia> and other system sounds
[22:33] <xia> and mediaplayer
[22:33] <xia> I make it quite in the right lower corner, but it works not
[22:33] <xia> why is that?
[22:33] <xixor> lucio123: run amarok from the command line, is there any errors?
[22:34] <xixor> lucio123: or: amarok --debug
[22:34] <xixor> lucio123: maybe also try: ps aux | grep amarok   to see if amarok is running
[22:34] <lucio123> QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave.
[22:34] <lucio123> Amarok is already running!
[22:34] <lucio123> QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave.
[22:34] <xixor> lucio123: also, amarok might have run, but went straight to the system tray, look for the amarok icon on the system tray
[22:36] <xixor> lucio123: lucio123 so, it sounds like amarok is running.  Check if it's in the system tray
[22:37] <lucio123> I don't see it in the system tray
[22:37] <xixor> lucio123: ok, so find the amarok process and kill it
[22:37] <xixor> lucio123: an easy way is to hit: control+escape
[22:37] <lucio123> Where I can find it?
[22:38] <xia> see ya
[22:38] <xixor> lucio123: that brings up the system activity dialog.  Then type amarok into the search dialog at the top
[22:38] <xixor> lucio123: it will find the amarok process.  Click on amarok, then click "End Process"
[22:39] <lucio123> Done. I terminated the amarok process
[22:39] <xixor> now try running it again, see what happens
[22:39] <lucio123> Ok I am doing it
[22:40] <xixor> anyhoo, I am stepping out for a bit... good luck
[22:41] <lucio123> The process is back but amarok didn't open
[22:42] <BluesKaj> lucio123, ok , kill it again then start amarok in the terminal , and look for errors there
[22:44] <lucio123> I get a lot of errors: TagLib: MPEG::Header::parse() -- Invalid sample rate.
[22:46] <BluesKaj> lucio123, did it restart ?
[22:46] <lucio123> No. I get a lot of errors: TagLib: MPEG::Header::parse() -- Invalid sample rate.
[22:47] <lucio123> errors: .
[22:47] <lucio123> TagLib: ID3v2.4 no longer supports the frame type TSIZ.  It will be discarded from the tag.
[22:47] <lucio123> TagLib: ID3v2.4 no longer supports the frame type TDAT.  It will be discarded from the tag.
[22:47] <lucio123> TagLib: ID3v2.4 no longer supports the frame type TDAT.  It will be discarded from the tag.
[22:47] <BluesKaj> you haven't stopped it , an audio codec is till active
[22:48] <BluesKaj> still
[22:48] <lucio123> But the process is the and it is using the 51% of the processor
[22:49] <BluesKaj> you can't relaunch it if it's playing an audio file
[22:50] <BluesKaj> lucio123, once you stop it completely, try it with, dbus-launch amarok , in the terminal
[22:53] <lucio123> I get the same errors
[22:53] <cubbybear> Can some one confirm that .kde is where the kde files are kept I want to delete the unsued folder and start a mess clean up
[22:55] <BluesKaj> lucio123, have you updated and upgraded lately ?
[22:57] <lucio123> I was plying mp3 and amarok required to updated the codecs and I did it.
[22:58] <BluesKaj> lucio123,no i mean either with the pckage manager or in the terminal , amarok needs more than just plugins to upgrade it
[22:59] <lucio123> After the system intallation I updated all the software
[23:01] <cubbybear> BluesKaj: Hi
[23:01] <BluesKaj> updating is not upgradong
[23:01] <BluesKaj> updating
[23:02] <BluesKaj> is not upgrading
[23:02] <lucio123> I did just update
[23:02] <lucio123> no upgrade
[23:02] <lucio123> the system is Kubuntu 12.10
[23:03] <xixor> I wonder if amarok is getting caught up indexing the local files or something
[23:03] <lucio123> Thank you for your help. I will try to resolve the problem tomorrow
[23:04] <BluesKaj> that doesn't do anything but sertup the repositories and your packages for upgrading , you have to upgrade too , sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade
[23:04] <xixor> I only use amarok for the streams.... I've never had good luck with it as a music player
[23:04] <lucio123> I have a lot of files and it is possible that it stops amarok indexing
[23:05] <BluesKaj> xixor, amarok is a bit better then it was , but it still has a clunky interface , my latest flavour is clementine
[23:05] <lucio123> I have also clementine and it works very well
[23:06] <BluesKaj> ok , gotta go ...later
[23:06] <lucio123> Ciao, thank you
[23:06] <xixor> I don't mind the amarok interface.. infact, I really enjoy the lyrics/wikipedia tie-ins it has... my problems have always stemmed from the database aspect of it.... it just seems that they are trying to solve a problem that doesn't really need solving, with the most powerful/most flexible/most difficult solution
[23:06] <lucio123> I am leaving too
[23:10] <Scunizi> I hope someone is awake.. tool tips (mouse hover) appear in various kde and gtk programs and the information is blacked out. I'm running this on kubuntu 11.10. Changing the theme doesn't do anything.  This happens in Digikam and Darktable. Any suggestions?
[23:22] <robtygart> Scunizi: other then theme there should be "colors"
[23:22] <robtygart> on 12.04-12.10 anyeay
[23:22] <robtygart> anway*
[23:23] <robtygart> Look under application appearance
[23:49] <Scunizi> robtygart: colors?  Not all tool tip popup boxes render the same.. can colors be changed on a per program basis?
[23:52] <robtygart> I don't know! On 12.04 the two place I change appearance is, Settings>Application Appearance and Settings>Workspace Appearance.
[23:52] <robtygart> Some themes make some backgrounds black and I can't read them.
[23:54] <robtygart> Scunizi: press Alt+Shift+F12 and turn off effects can you see it then?
[23:55] <Scunizi> Ok.. I'll play around.. I'm using Oxygen now.. I seem to remember there might be a bug in 11.10 concerning this.. I'll need to upgrade and see if it still affects those same programs.
[23:55] <Scunizi> Yep.. alt+sft+f12 doesn't do anything. unfortunately.
[23:56] <robtygart> Scunizi: hey I just turned off my effects and now when I hover its too dark to read!
[23:58] <Scunizi> interesting.
[23:59] <robtygart> Why haven't you upgraded to 12.04?


[02:13] <shaunm> nixternal: I was actually planning on something a bit bigger than just me, you, and Jim.  Kevin offered a few possibilities
[02:13] <shaunm> (though, for just the three of us, I could come up any time.  don't need a big plan)
[03:12] <nixternal> shaunm: that would be groovy too


[01:24] <Keybuk> quest procwatch% sudo ./forkwatch
[01:24] <Keybuk> 16484 -> 19420
[01:24] <Keybuk> 19420 -> 19421
[01:24] <Keybuk> 19421 -> 19422
[01:25] <Keybuk> (daemonising process being watched)
[01:57] <sadmac> Keybuk: how?
[01:58] <Keybuk> darkest magic ;)
[01:58] <sadmac> Keybuk: open source??
[01:58] <Keybuk> obviously
[01:59] <sadmac> Keybuk: url then?
[01:59] <Keybuk> no url
[01:59] <Keybuk> just on my machine
[02:01] <sadmac> I don't believe you then X:(
[02:01] <sadmac> whoa, I waay mistyped that smilie
[02:01] <sadmac> he's gonna have to go to a special school
[02:01] <Keybuk> which bit don't you believe? :p
[02:01] <sadmac> You didn't do the forking! Code or GTFO!

[02:02] <Keybuk> the code of forkwatch won't look that interesting to you
[02:02] <Keybuk> it opens a netlink socket and listens on it
[02:02] <Keybuk> reading the messages containing the parent and child pids
[02:03] <sadmac> my lkml dump doesn't have anything interesting from you...
[02:04] <sadmac> Keybuk: did you look into pjones' suggestion of just "write a utrace module?"
[02:04] <Keybuk> yes
[02:05] <Keybuk> I also looked into other people's suggestions as well of interesting ways to do it
[02:05] <Keybuk> and when I got to the bit of the kernel which I had to modify
[02:05] <Keybuk> found out that somebody had already got there before me
[02:06] <sadmac> so this is already upstream?
[02:06] <Keybuk> yes
[02:06]  * sadmac pulls open the documentation folder in his git tree...
[02:06] <Keybuk> since 2.6.14
[02:06] <Keybuk> ah, see
[02:06] <Keybuk> that's the rub
[02:06] <Keybuk> it's almost completely undocumented
[02:07] <Keybuk> what documentation there is was written by somebody with only a passing familiarity with English
[02:07] <Keybuk> I had to pretty much figure it all out from first principles
[02:07] <Keybuk> but now I have, I get messages when a process forks (or just calls clone)
[02:07] <Keybuk> and when a process calls exit
[02:07] <Keybuk> and when it calls exec
[02:07] <sadmac> Keybuk: oh, KERNEL 2.6.14
[02:07] <sadmac> Keybuk: I thought it was one of those weird british dates for a second
[02:08] <Keybuk> you know you guys are unique in writing the date middle-endian, right?
[02:08] <Keybuk> and that middle-endian is batshit insane whichever way you look at it?
[02:09] <sadmac> what's wrong with bat shit?
[02:09] <Keybuk> it leaves a bad taste in the mouth
[02:10] <sadmac> you're doing it wrong. Put it on toast wedges, then melt cheese over them in a toaster oven, and sprinkle with cayanne
[02:10] <Keybuk> you're American
[02:10] <Keybuk> you don't even deserve to use the word "Cheese"
[02:13] <sadmac> Keybuk: http://www.ratemyeverything.net/post/2277/The_Typical_Mac_User.aspx
[02:16] <Keybuk> hey, you started it :p
[02:17] <sadmac> noted
[02:18] <sadmac> Keybuk: I clicked on a female friend's blog in my feed reader yesterday, thinking it was yours. After reading 2 paragraphs of her feminist critique of a novel she read there was a full 15 seconds when I thought you were a transexual and had neglected to mention :)
[02:18] <Keybuk> I'm sure you would have noticed
[02:20] <sadmac> Keybuk: I'm slow at 3am, and my feed reader is text only so no visual cues. But yeah, it sounded nothing like you.
[10:15] <keesj> Keybuk: how to you do most development, do you use a virtual machine?
[10:16] <keesj> also would this new tracing core posibly make it possible to have sub inits possibly running as user process
[15:24] <Keybuk> keesj: most development I just use the test suite
[15:24] <Keybuk> otherwise I replace the running init on my system ;)
[15:24] <Keybuk> or use vmware
[15:46] <sadmac2> Keybuk: what? no kvm?
[15:48] <Keybuk> no
[15:50] <Keybuk> I hate freedom
[15:51] <sadmac2> Keybuk: Hitler would have used vmware.
[15:51] <Keybuk> and Hitler would have preferred a nation of Blond haired, Blue eyed boys


[10:53] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[15:49] <genii-borkbork> Anyone else on Kubuntu that can't login after last update?
[15:55] <arsson> genii-borkbork: same problem here
[15:57] <genii-borkbork> arsson: OK, thanks. I'm getting it just sitting on lightdm background with active cursor but the KDE splash screen isn't even coming up. Same symptom?
[15:57] <arsson> yep
[15:57]  * genii-borkbork makes more coffee and contemplates
[15:59] <genii-borkbork> Going to tinker and return.
[17:53] <genii> BluesKaj: You're able to login to KDE today on 14.10?
[17:55] <BluesKaj> genii, I had to use the VT/TTY login then startx
[17:56] <BluesKaj> was stalling at the login page
[17:56] <BluesKaj> on 2 machines
[17:56] <genii> BluesKaj:Yes, i have exact same symptoms. I'm currently on my 14.04
[17:56] <genii> I might reboot and try from cli also
[17:58] <BluesKaj> the power mnagement blacks my laptop scrn and disconnects the wifi as well , no matter what settings in PM are used , seems like they're totally disregarded
[17:58] <genii> Hm
[17:59] <BluesKaj> I gambled on 14.10 being stable so I upgraded my desktop ...oops :)
[18:02] <BluesKaj> the login problem isn't too bothersome, but the power management mess is pita on the laptop
[18:02] <genii> Going to reboot to 14.10 partition and hopefully return soon
[18:03] <BluesKaj> ok , see you soon
[18:12]  * genii sips
[18:12] <genii> BluesKaj: Must be something in the way lightdm calls startkde or something
[18:14] <BluesKaj> yeah, we had a similar glitch a couple of releases back 12.10 or 13.04
[18:25] <genii> It's weird, nothing much for packages altered on the 20th stand out as a possible culprit.  ( looking at the changes made on 19th and 20th from https://lists.canonical.com/archives/utopic-changes/2014-June/date.html )
[18:27] <genii> The kde-workspace changes were all symbol updates, lightdm was not changed at all. The only one semi-suspicious is the upstart update setting with "xsession-init: Set $GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID if we are launching a gnome-session session. "